Changes to England Team in Next Match Onwards

[dfx-]

Morgan is the focus as he's been by far the worst of the batsmen and also has a lot less credit behind him for past performances (in that he hasn't really had many if any whereas the other middle order players all had extremely good performances in 2011)

I wouldn't go anywhere near saying he was by far the worst for the experience that he has or should I say that others have..

 

[Prince EWS]

I wouldn't go anywhere near saying he was by far the worst for the experience that he has or should I say that others have..

Yeah this is a far point actually because all those bonus runs they tack onto your innings total after the tenth wicket falls if you haven't played many Tests.

The other batsmen in the side have actually done something to hold their places upon; Morgan shouldn't have been in the side to begin with.

 

[dfx-]

Yes, something like the bonus runs that are added to your score after being out lbw for 9 off 6 balls playing on the backfoot because you got runs two years ago.

Your shot selection is also improved by a factor of three because you feasted on Mitchell Johnson and if you can read his deliveries, then Ajmal will be no problem

 

[Jacknife]

Let me get this straight you think KP and Bell should be looked at before Morgan, even though they have both just come off very productive years and Morgan has looked a walking wicket most the time he's played Test cricket, righto'.

 

[Furball]

Let me get this straight you think KP and Bell should be looked at before Morgan, even though they have both just come off very productive years and Morgan has looked a walking wicket most the time he's played Test cricket, righto'.

Check the location.

 

[Furball]

Yeah this is a far point actually because all those bonus runs they tack onto your innings total after the tenth wicket falls if you haven't played many Tests.

The other batsmen in the side have actually done something to hold their places upon; Morgan shouldn't have been in the side to begin with.

Whilst I didn't agree with Morgan being picked, there was a logic behind it.

 

[Jacknife]

Check the location.

I know mate but still.

 

[Prince EWS]

Whilst I didn't agree with Morgan being picked, there was a logic behind it.

There was a reason. I'd never go as far as to call it "logic" though.

 

[Black_Warrior]

A serious question for England fans..

Say England has a successful summer this year and beats both West Indies and South Africa but Strauss continues his miserable run with the bat.. How long can you carry him in the team when you have the Ashes in 1 year? How important is Strauss the captain to the team?

 

[weldone]

This top 7 will do well now:

Strauss
Gooch
Bell
A. Flower
Thorpe
Trott
Prior

 

[amanuensis]

A serious question for England fans..

Say England has a successful summer this year and beats both West Indies and South Africa but Strauss continues his miserable run with the bat.. How long can you carry him in the team when you have the Ashes in 1 year? How important is Strauss the captain to the team?

I don't think that's a plausible scenario. England have basically been able to carry Strauss & Morgan/Collingwood because of prolific run scoring elsewhere in the order - check out the batting averages over the course of their run of 9 unbeaten series. That weight of scoring was never going to last - indeed it's ended in this very series!

 

[Black_Warrior]

I am well aware of how well Trott, Bell, Pietersen and Cook batted against Australia and India.. My point is..would you take the risk with Strauss going into two back to back Ashes? Given the fact that Austrailan bowling attack is showing all the signs of a resurgance? Do you want an opener in the side who is a walking wicket?

And since he is the captain, you will have to make the decision sooner rather than later because ideally you don't want a captain starting with the Ashes.

 

[Prince EWS]

I am well aware of how well Trott, Bell, Pietersen and Cook batted against Australia and India.. My point is..would you take the risk with Strauss going into two back to back Ashes? Given the fact that Austrailan bowling attack is showing all the signs of a resurgance? Do you want an opener in the side who is a walking wicket?

And since he is the captain, you will have to make the decision sooner rather than later because ideally you don't want a captain starting with the Ashes.

Depends how good they think the next best opener is. There's no-one really banging the door down in that position.

 

[amanuensis]

Depends how good they think the next best opener is. There's no-one really banging the door down in that position.

I suspect they might have to look at a different top three, ie. Cook, Trott & Bell ().

 

[flibbertyjibber]

I suspect they might have to look at a different top three, ie. Cook, Trott & Bell ().

No way will Trott open long term. They will hope that one of Hales, Root or Carberry does enough to warrant selection in tests. Maybe Davies as a bat, opens well enough in county cricket?

 

[Pothas]

I don't think it is going to be a long term issue, honestly think that Strauss is a good enough player and mentally tough enough to come through this. Will not pretend his form Is not a concern but he has gone through bad form in the past and has come back strongly, is not old enough to suggest he is permanent decline.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Strauss will start making centuries against the Aussies.

 

[wpdavid]

A serious question for England fans..

Say England has a successful summer this year and beats both West Indies and South Africa but Strauss continues his miserable run with the bat.. How long can you carry him in the team when you have the Ashes in 1 year? How important is Strauss the captain to the team?

It's a very good question. Or two.

I suppose it depends on exactly how miserable his form is over the next 8 months. I know you can't really be this specific, but an average in the 30s against SA would probably keep him in the side, especially if England win. Below that, he's struggling, especially if they lose to SA.

It also depends on how the alternatives go - both the replacement openers from the county game, and likeliest replacement skipper in the England side.

I certainly wouldn't move Trott up to open though.

I think that Strauss's captaincy is important, but not as vital as some would have us believe.

 

[Prince EWS]

It's a very good question. Or two.

I suppose it depends on exactly how miserable his form is over the next 8 months. I know you can't really be this specific, but an average in the 30s against SA would probably keep him in the side, especially if England win. Below that, he's struggling, especially if they lose to SA.

It also depends on how the alternatives go - both the replacement openers from the county game, and likeliest replacement skipper in the England side.

I certainly wouldn't move Trott up to open though.

I think that Strauss's captaincy is important, but not as vital as some would have us believe.

I think Strauss's captaincy is important not because he's a an absolutely brilliant captain, but because I really can't imagine anyone else in the side doing a remotely good job of it.

 

[theegyptian]

Strauss would be feeling a lot more pressure if there was anyone actually worth selecting as another opener but a load of the possible options probably need a few more years to develop and are someway from being good enough for international cricket.

Root, Hales, Dawson, Chopra are decent prospects but there is no way any of them are close to the skill level and maturity of Strauss and need more years to develop.

Carberry is probably the closest of the openers in the county game but he's kind of old now and iirc struggled against spin on his test debut - not that is likely to be a big issue if we're building to face Australia.

James Taylor opened for the Lions this last summer and I'd assume he'd have a good chance of the opening slot if there was an injury although long term you'd want him at 4 or 5 presumably.