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benchmark00

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Which I'm arguing was contentious to say the least, and by no means warrants gloating when you turned out to be right.

Let's have a look at facts pre-return to form.

Against your argument:

Poor form, averaging 30 odd for about 3 years. Some technical issues, perhaps some mental/concentration issues as well. Age of 37, and showing little to no sign of improvement for a large period of the time, up until a few half centuries very recently.

For your argument:

Champion player. Perhaps problem has been because of some failry minor technical issues which could be rectified at some point, yet hadn't been for a good few years.

Fail to see how that means he was always very likely to score runs again. The issue was completely up in the air...just ****ing admit it.
Yep just guessed that if he rectified his flaw (which he later came out and explained in detailed after his hundred at the SCG) he would score runs. Absolutely got lucky, 100%.

Should definitely go out and get a lotto ticket. What a ****ing fluke that I managed to guess that if an all time great batsman fixes an obvious flaw that he would return to scoring runs! **** I'm a lucky ****.
 
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Ruckus

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That's irrelevent...Answer me this: even if you assume the lack of runs for the entire 3 years were due to an 'obvious technical flaw' as you put it (which I disagree with frankly), then how could you have been so sure he would have corrected it anyway given the fact he seemingly hadn't in the previous 3 years? Whose to say that he wouldn't have rectified it for another year or two or up until retirement?
 

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That's irrelevent...Answer me this: even if you assume the lack of runs for the entire 3 years were due to an 'obvious technical flaw' as you put it (which I disagree with frankly), then how could you have been so sure he would have corrected it anyway given the fact he seemingly hadn't in the previous 3 years? Whose to say that he wouldn't have rectified it for another year or two or up until retirement?
This lean streak is getting longer and longer by the day. In 2030 we'll all be saying how Ponting went 15 years without making a run.

Pontings problems weren't always with the front pad/falling over. He had a problem with the short ball, born when Roach cleaned him up. He was scratchy with that for ages, kept getting out to it. Overcame it, but then came the front pad, which lasted a while.

We kept hearing him saying how hard he's working on his game. He wouldn't just go to the nets for a hit, he would be working on his technical problems. I'm pretty sure Ricky Ponting and the Australian coaching staff are more knowledgable on batting than I (and Top_Cat and a few others on here) am so they were always going to work on that. He was always going to improve that.

People on here, you and GingerFurball especially, kept saying how Pontings problem was because he's getting too old, and I clearly said that's horse ****, because his dismissals wasn't him being late on it, it was purely technical. He's an all time great player, so as soon as he resolved his technical problems (which weren't easy, but nor were they particularly hard from my personal experienc) he was always going to score runs again as long as the selectors didn't drop him before he had a chance to rectify them.

As I've said before, if Ponting felt he couldn't over come those problems, he would have retired. I'd take his word over someone like you on an internet forum most days of the week itbt.
 
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Ruckus

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Fair enough if you think those are reasons for his lean streak, but I still don't see how that reasoning makes you think he was "always going to score runs again as long as the selectors didn't drop him". There are just so many holes in that theory. E.g., if he had one technical problem (which he seemingly rectified) followed by another, how do you know he wouldn't have developed another one?
 

Ausage

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Who "knows" anything? People make predictions on here all the time and none of us know for certain what will happen. We make calls and sometimes they're proven right, like Benchy was.
 

Ruckus

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Who "knows" anything? People make predictions on here all the time and none of us know for certain what will happen. We make calls and sometimes they're proven right, like Benchy was.
That's exactly my point. The issue was highly contentious. To pretend it wasn't is pure bull**** imo.
 

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So I presented a case. I was proved to be right in everything I said. Yet it was bull**** luck?

Yep righto. Done with the silly argument from you.
 
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Prince EWS

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Wish I did.

Anyway, if India wins the ODI series, will they claim they have exacted revenge, as some fans of theirs have with regards England after bearing them 5-0 in an ODI series?
I asked that before, but apparently it only applies to home ODIs.

Ahh yes, ODIs in India - cricket's Wimbledon.
 

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On the Ponting thing, I don't think it's any secret what his problems were in terms of falling over. His trigger movement had become so exaggerated it was costing him balance. Was there for all to see. But of credit to ****mark00 for pegging it as technical flaw though. I'd hoped it was that but Burge time SA was done, I thought he may have been too.

When he failed against SA (I think) I suggested it may well have been time to go, though I loathed having to say it. I couldnt have been happier he's proved me wrong so far.

Watching the highlights of Adelaide on Fox now, and you can see he's almost eeerily still again, and some of his off side shots off the back foot in particular were pure genius.

Really hope he keeps on keeping on. He's still the key to our batting line up IMO.
 
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Ruckus

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Does anyone see much technically wrong with this?

Ricky Ponting's 209 v Pakistan, 3rd Test 2010 - YouTube

I agree with your sentiments Burgey that we really are in a situation atm where we need Ponting to fire like old, but I don't want to get carried away yet. His true litmus test will be if he can maintain his form for a longer period of time and avoid reverting to bad habits against higher quality bowling than India's.
 

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Does anyone see much technically wrong with this?

Ricky Ponting's 209 v Pakistan, 3rd Test 2010 - YouTube

I agree with your sentiments Burgey that we really are in a situation atm where we need Ponting to fire like old, but I don't want to get carried away yet. His true litmus test will be if he can maintain his form for a longer period of time and avoid reverting to bad habits against higher quality bowling than India's.
He was dropped off a hook shot on 0 (from memory).
 

Spark

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He looked absolutely atrocious, especially against the short ball until about 50. Kept edging them, miscuing them, missing them, getting hit etc etc. Arguably the most painful 50 of his career to watch (after that, though...)
 

Ruckus

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His first 40 odd runs were scrappy as hell, but after that he looked sublime. The very next innings he played a flawless 80-odd knock as well.
 

Spark

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IIRC throughout that year he just kept finding the dumbest ways to get out. Run out quite a few times, gloved one down legside trying to paddle sleep, LBW to Suresh ****ing Raina etc etc
 

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