***Official*** India in Australia 2011/12

[Spark]

Quite. I mean, he came in at 2/60-odd 1st dig in Melbourne, 2/220-odd at Perth, and the rest: 4/27, 3/37, 3/84, 3/40.

 

[benchmark00]

Yeah, it's one thing to say 'well, lets not get carried away too much because India were crap' when Ponting generally came in with the match in the balance.

And ganeshran's reasoning is just terrible. Ponting clearly still has plenty of hunger for runs, and giving him the tap on the shoulder now when the top 3 is still pretty unconvincing is ********.

Guess that makes you a ******:

Ricky Ponting would retire immediately.

Wouldn't be the worst thing.

Can I ask why Hughes being out of nick and constantly getting out the same way is grounds for dropping, yet Ponting constantly falling over his front pad and getting out lbw all the ****ing time isn't?

It's embarassing how much better Siddle is than the top order.

edit: shot. Seriously, why is Siddle a better batsman than Ponting these days?

Ponting - goneskis. His position in the side is untenable. A shame for such a champion to fade the way he has but I really can't see how anyone can justify his continued selection..

It's a poor argument. Ricky Ponting is not Michael Hussey. What indication has Ponting given recently that he might be about to return to form?

Yeah, AWTA. They spent two years doing absolutely nothing whilst the Australian batting lineup lurched from one collapse to another; the only batsman who paid the price for some shocking form with his place in the side was Marcuss North. Hussey's been extremely fortunate with his form in the last year; you'd have to think that there is pretty much bugger all of a case to retain Ricky Ponting though. I think the incumbents have certainly benefitted from a lack of a properly viable alternatives when it comes to the batting order, but if Ponting is still one of the best six batsmen in the country then you might as well give up. r.

 

[Spikey]

"and even India a disservice"

I'm not sure this is possible

 

[ganeshran]

Stupid reasoning. If you still have a passion for the game, then why retire? Ponting has the next 50+ years to remain retired.

Let's be honest, scoring a couple of tons in a 4-0 victory against this indian team is really hardly going out on a high.


Just a thought: Don't most players who go out on a high suffer from injury and that sort of stuff? I mean, Ponting is hardly suffering from wear and tear is he? No problems in his personal life ala Warne either

Im sure Ponting will have a great next year with his return to form and will average 55+. I have always said that he will bounce back and answer his detractors. However the bigger question is Australia's ability to regain the Ashes in 2013 which is looking difficult despite dominating India (which isnt saying much given our poor bowling attack).

England have the most well settled side in World cricket at the moment, something which wont change till 2013 and they will be playing at home. With Anderson, Broad, Tremlett and Swann bowling, It will be extremely difficult for Ponting to replicate the same form that he did in the India series and if he plays poorly, Australia can kiss the urn goodbye. The extra time that he would give a youngster to be blooded in the middle order could be the deciding factor in who gets the trophy. Eventually reflexes slow down with age, and when the ball is swinging at 140ks, a split second's delay could make the difference between a stroke and an edge.

 

[ganeshran]

Guess that makes you a ******:

 

[Furball]

Guess that makes you a ******:

Nice try captain hindsight.

 

[Shri]

Lol.

 

[benchmark00]

Nice try captain hindsight.

Pretty sure I was the one calling people idiots for wanting Ponting dropped, so nice try Captain 100% Wrong (Y) (Y).

 

[GIMH]

Point: Ricky Ponting is back baby!
Counter-point: Eoin Morgan scored a ton against India

Don't think he did you know

 

[Ausage]

Even if you put Ponting's form down to India being horrible the fact remains that he was the second best batsman after someone who had a series Bradman would be happy with. Presumably that still makes him the second best bat in the country.

I was one calling for him to be dropped because I thought the decline was down to age, Ponting's shown that it wasn't terminal. You've gotta give the guy another good run after that.

 

[Furball]

Don't think he did you know

Trent Bridge. After the Bell fiasco India's rrsponse was to bowl pies at Morgan for an hour. As soon as they took the new ball Praveen (iirc) got him out almost straight away.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

I was one calling for him to be dropped because I thought the decline was down to age, Ponting's shown that it wasn't terminal. You've gotta give the guy another good run after that.

No doubt. I enjoyed watching Ponting make these runs, and not just because I enjoyed seeing the Indian attack flayed.

 

[Spark]

Don't think he did you know

He did, at Edgbaston IIRC. Was one of the more low-intensity tons you'll ever see (which is probably why you've forgotten it, fair enough)

 

[Furball]

He did, at Edgbaston IIRC. Was one of the more low-intensity tons you'll ever see (which is probably why you've forgotten it, fair enough)

Ah yes, the Trent Bridge innings I was thinking of was a 70-odd.

 

[Spark]

Yeah I'm honestly not surprised you'd struggle to remember it. There's no such thing as a fluke Test ton but that one was one of the more facile you'll see.

 

[Spikey]

No i'm prepared to call it a fluke

 

[Furball]

Yeah I'm honestly not surprised you'd struggle to remember it. There's no such thing as a fluke Test ton but that one was one of the more facile you'll see.

It's the Trent Bridge innings I remember most because India really bowled some absolute pies.

 

[Jono]

Ponting strikes me as the kind of person to play on for as long as Tendulkar has (20 years) if he is in good form and still contributing to the side.

I agree. There is a reason he has referred to Dravid and Tendulkar before when talking about his career. He shares the same mindset and similar goals.

 

[Jono]

It's the Trent Bridge innings I remember most because India really bowled some absolute pies.

Raina on straight after tea/Bell runout incident. Disgrace.

 

[Ruckus]

Nice try captain hindsight.

yeah...anyone who goes about gloating that they were predicting Ponting would return to form basically has no right to. The fact is his results were **** for at least 2/3 years, despite looking in fairly good nick for large parts of that, and there was no reason to predict his future success other than the feeble hope that 'class is permanent'. Put it this way: would anyone have been genuinely suprised if Ponting continued to fail? I doubt it...the bottom line is the selectors made a gamble, and that's really all it was. Injuries and a relative lack of other options made the decision easier and fortunately the decision paid off anyway. It could easily (and might still, who knows) have gone the other way though.