Prince EWS
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FFS, not the bat-Clarke-in-the-top-4 idea again. How many times does this have to be tried and failed before we all just agree to let him bat 5 for the rest of his career and average 60 odd there?
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***Official*** India in Australia 2011/12
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Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
With Australian bowling looking so good, especially the pace department, is Johnson's career over?
Noble One
International Vice-Captain
No. A Test bowler with 190 wickets and a good 3-4 years left in the game is likely to reappear again.
Still close to first choice in T20 and ODI's means his name will always remain discussed at selection meetings for a Test squad .
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Spikey
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if johnson has any brains (
) he'd refuse selection cause let's face it he ended it as high as he possibly could.
howardj
International Coach
With respect, it's far more nuanced than looking at Statsguru. Anybody who has any feel for cricket, who has ever played the game, knows for example that there is no material difference and certainly no mental difference between batting at four as compared to five. Furthermore, last Summer for instance, his failure at four was more a function of him coing in at 2 for 10 most times, than being one slot higher than five. It's a lazy analysis just using Statsguru.
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah I don't understand how 1 position can determine a performance for a player.
howardj
International Coach
Cricketweb is the richer for your intellectual offerings.
You would be well qualified for a job on Channel Nine.
Ftr, Hilfenhaus is not over 30, whereas Clarke who I praised, is.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Clarke's failure higher up the order is because he has technical deficiencies which are exposed when he faces good seam attacks with a new ball.
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
But would batting at 5 instead of 4 really make such a huge difference?
scorpio1990
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
BCCI makes itself clear on it's priorities.
No immediate post-mortem on Australia debacle, says BCCI : Cricket News - India Today
No immediate post-mortem on Australia debacle, says BCCI : Cricket News - India Today
The Indian cricket board has budgeted a surplus of Rs.42.79 crore from the forgettable tour of Australia, but is in no hurry to discuss the team's abysmal performance or take any knee-jerk decisions following the 0-4 whitewash in the Test series.
The Board will also not tell senior players to retire, BCCI spokesman Rajeev Shukla said on Saturday.
Top guns of the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) will probably exchange first words on the team's nonperformance on February 4 when they meet in Bangalore for the player auction in the Indian Premier League (IPL).
"There would, of course, be some discussion on the team's performance when the BCCI office-bearers meet in Bangalore for the IPL auction," Shukla, also chairman of the IPL governing council, told Mail Today.
Shukla said an immediate post-mortem was out of question as the team now heads into the three- nation One-Day International series against Australia and Sri Lanka.
Australia completed the 4-0 rout in Adelaide on Saturday to add to Mahendra Singh Dhoni's woes. Dhoni's team had lost to England 0-4 last year, and now India have lost eight successive Tests on foreign soil.
Even after the debacle in England, the BCCI hadn't discussed the team's performance in its meetings. The BCCI had budgeted a surplus of Rs.30.34 crore from the England tour.
Shukla said the BCCI won't be telling any player when to retire, despite a nationwide hue and cry to effect changes in the team.
"Retirement is a decision to be taken by players. They decide when to retire; the Board doesn't tell them to retire," he said.
Some of the senior- most players, particularly VVS Laxman and Rahul Dravid, were abysmally out of form. While Laxman managed just 155 in four Tests, Dravid was only a shade better with 194. Only one player, Virat Kohli, managed to touch the 300-run mark.
Spark
Global Moderator
This is basically it. Once he gets to about 30 he's fine (and really, really hard to get out) but before that the flaws are there for all to see.
Having said that, it would have made almost no difference this summer.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Evidently so.
I've seen the same trend of
1. Clarke comes into the side batting 5/6
2. Clarke scores heaps of runs
3. Clarke gets moved up the order because he's "too good" to bat lower
4. Clarke has a terrible run of form
5. Clarke gets dropped from the side completely or gets moved back down
6. Clarke scores some runs domestically
7. Clarke comes into the side batting 5/6
8. Clarke scores heaps of runs
etc etc...
Happen a couple of times too many now; the risk is not worth the reward. It's not just a stats thing either; it's plain to see by his technique that he's not suited to batting in the top order - or is at least far more suited to batting 5 or 6, anyway.
Clarke might score some runs if he's forced to bat in the top order, but that's only a "might", and he'll definitely score lots of runs if he bats 5 or 6. Furthermore, most of the batsmen putting their hands up for selection in the one or two "vacant" places are top order batsmen anyway. This idea of seniority dictating the batting order instead of technique or comfortability has got to be done away with entirely.
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