ankitj
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Not surprised at all about the IPL influence bit. Anyone not acknowledging the bad influence of IPL is just living in denial
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***Official*** India in Australia 2011/12
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Burgey
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You don't have to interact, just let them watch you practice.
That's but one example. I'm talking about the attitude of being cloistered.
Humble pie is on the menu
Shri
Mr. Glass
Must be the management. I went in early and have talked to a lot of players as a kid when test matches took place in Chennai from behind the fence. This closed training development seems like a recent change. Last saw the players practice before play in the test where Sehwag hit 293 against SA.
Black_Warrior
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Do you mean 293 against Sri Lanka?
Burgey
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I mean sorry, but you might hop in your car with your young bloke on new years day at nine in the morning to drive across town to take him to abuse players, but in my experience people take their kids to watch players practice so they learn from watching them.
Black_Warrior
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I don't think thats the issue..and most of the fans who wanted to see them during training were Indian fans anyway.. I think people like Tendulkar, Dravid are so sick of being mobbed by crowds anywhere in India that when they are training, they don't want any distractions.
And honestly I support them..I have been in a few functions where players were interacting with common people and the kind of stuff that people say..the 'advice' that they have on how to play Warne and Ambrose..I don't blame them for not wanting to interact when they are training. After a series is fine.
Shri
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nightprowler10
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Just looked at the last two series' results for India...
Anyone wanna kindly explain what happened to them before I lol?
Anyone wanna kindly explain what happened to them before I lol?
howardj
International Coach
Test Summer wash-up from my perspective...The State of Nation if you will...
I seriously do not think that Australian cricket is as far advanced post-Indian series, as the Channel Nine cheerleaders would have us believe. That said, the best things about this Summer for mine were:
Postives
The emergence of new players
Pattinson, Warner, Lyon, Cummins. Ridiculously small samples to date, however I really think these guys are genuinely Test-class and can really power an Australian Test revival over the next five years.
Michael Clarke
Just wow. The whole package (captaincy, batting, his committment to excellence, his recognition of how far we've fallen, his emphasis on playing for Australia rather than in T20 tournaments) has just been outstanding.
Staying undefeated
Rather than using the Indian throttling as a barometer as to how far we've advanced (which I think is way overblown considering their woeful and disinterested effort in England and on the road generally), I think a much more reliable measure is just our overall performances across the course of the last four or five months. From Sri Lanka, to SA, to NZ and then to India, not losing a Test series is a really good achievement.
Rejection of rotation
While it is talked about endlessly, when it comes to the crunch, there is simply no rotation for Test matches. The ultimate test of that was in Adelaide. If ever a guy was going to be rested it was Siddle (who had to that point played 8 or 9 consecutive Tests over the course of a short period). Heading into a dead Test, leading 3-0, that he was not rested and that he came out so forcefully against being rested, to me indicates that while it's much talked about, rotation for Tests is rightfully nonexistent. By all means if a guy is showing signs of wear 'n' tear, sit him out. But to rotate fully fit players just creates insecurity, uncertainty, and deprives them of something they value and something they've worked hard to secure (i.e. a place in the Test XI).
Hunger
The hopeless denial, under the Hilditch/Nielsen/Sutherland/Ponting reign, is gone and replaced by a hunger and a recognition of how far we've fallen.
Negatives
Of most concern for me was this Summer was:
Injuries.
The inability of our best young quicks to stay on the park - Pattinson, Cummins and Cutting
Top Order
There's no substantial figure in our top-three (Clarke should be at first-drop). Talk of inserting Watson back into the team in the middle order is so wrong. We need him up top (see below for more thoughts Re Watson).
Watto
I just don't think his body can handle a heavy bowling workload - that's what's caused his injury relapse. Putting him in the middle order is not the answer to his injury woes. It's his bowling that has to be restricted. He is in any case, with the emergence of some genuinely potent Australian bowling, now of far more value to Australia as a batsman than anything else.
Misleading?
Not really a concern as such, but I just sound a word of caution that our Indian win was really powered by guys who have been really exposed in recent times or who have very little Test cricket left in them(Hilfenhaus, Ponting, Hussey). Sorry, but I just don't believe that these guys are suddenly now as good as the Channel Nine cheerleaders are making out. Full credit to them, but I just don't think their up-surge is as pronounced as it appears. I would take more comfort if our Indian win was powered by our new top three, or by Pattinson or Cummins etc. This is not really a concern as more a word of caution.
Haddin
His overall game has really declined, and I think it's the perfect time to replace him with Wade in all forms.
I seriously do not think that Australian cricket is as far advanced post-Indian series, as the Channel Nine cheerleaders would have us believe. That said, the best things about this Summer for mine were:
Postives
The emergence of new players
Pattinson, Warner, Lyon, Cummins. Ridiculously small samples to date, however I really think these guys are genuinely Test-class and can really power an Australian Test revival over the next five years.
Michael Clarke
Just wow. The whole package (captaincy, batting, his committment to excellence, his recognition of how far we've fallen, his emphasis on playing for Australia rather than in T20 tournaments) has just been outstanding.
Staying undefeated
Rather than using the Indian throttling as a barometer as to how far we've advanced (which I think is way overblown considering their woeful and disinterested effort in England and on the road generally), I think a much more reliable measure is just our overall performances across the course of the last four or five months. From Sri Lanka, to SA, to NZ and then to India, not losing a Test series is a really good achievement.
Rejection of rotation
While it is talked about endlessly, when it comes to the crunch, there is simply no rotation for Test matches. The ultimate test of that was in Adelaide. If ever a guy was going to be rested it was Siddle (who had to that point played 8 or 9 consecutive Tests over the course of a short period). Heading into a dead Test, leading 3-0, that he was not rested and that he came out so forcefully against being rested, to me indicates that while it's much talked about, rotation for Tests is rightfully nonexistent. By all means if a guy is showing signs of wear 'n' tear, sit him out. But to rotate fully fit players just creates insecurity, uncertainty, and deprives them of something they value and something they've worked hard to secure (i.e. a place in the Test XI).
Hunger
The hopeless denial, under the Hilditch/Nielsen/Sutherland/Ponting reign, is gone and replaced by a hunger and a recognition of how far we've fallen.
Negatives
Of most concern for me was this Summer was:
Injuries.
The inability of our best young quicks to stay on the park - Pattinson, Cummins and Cutting
Top Order
There's no substantial figure in our top-three (Clarke should be at first-drop). Talk of inserting Watson back into the team in the middle order is so wrong. We need him up top (see below for more thoughts Re Watson).
Watto
I just don't think his body can handle a heavy bowling workload - that's what's caused his injury relapse. Putting him in the middle order is not the answer to his injury woes. It's his bowling that has to be restricted. He is in any case, with the emergence of some genuinely potent Australian bowling, now of far more value to Australia as a batsman than anything else.
Misleading?
Not really a concern as such, but I just sound a word of caution that our Indian win was really powered by guys who have been really exposed in recent times or who have very little Test cricket left in them(Hilfenhaus, Ponting, Hussey). Sorry, but I just don't believe that these guys are suddenly now as good as the Channel Nine cheerleaders are making out. Full credit to them, but I just don't think their up-surge is as pronounced as it appears. I would take more comfort if our Indian win was powered by our new top three, or by Pattinson or Cummins etc. This is not really a concern as more a word of caution.
Haddin
His overall game has really declined, and I think it's the perfect time to replace him with Wade in all forms.
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benchmark00
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Above: Indian fans react to the defeat by sitting around some blokes garage holding hand painted signs.
benchmark00
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Still on donkey watch btw. None have been spotted.
Spikey
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I believe the 4th sign says "Brad Hogg sucks MacGill Forever"
Above: Indian fans react to the defeat by sitting around some blokes garage holding hand painted signs.
