Did King Viv had any weakness?

[Migara]

Not really. The 70s and 80s had some of the best players of pace ever assembled and Viv could take them on.

But no one bowled that metronomic length as McGrath. They just intimidated batsmen with bouncers. Perhaps Hadlee was the only exception, and IIRC, he did well against Viv.

 

[Migara]

Viv said in a book I own, Hitting Across The Line, that he found Chandra the toughest spinner he had to face. From what he said, middling bowling of any sort didn't really trouble him/he smashed the bejesus out of it but he was troubled a bit more by top-class spin than top-class pace.

Heard that he bowled bouncers at Viv. Chandra was an atypical spinner in the mold of Kumble and Underwood, who bowled brisk. But didn't face many legendary spinners of note who spun it hard and balls having batsmen's names on it.

 

[robelinda]

Gets Viv a few times here, at 10:15, 18:22, 20:46

*GENIUS* ABDUL QADIR - THE LEGEND - A COMPILATION OF HIS BEST BOWLING - YouTube

 

[zaremba]

Murali and Warne were little bit classier than Underwood. weren't they?

Blimey you're in tedious form at the moment. Please stop trying to pick a fight at every opportunity as it is unnecessary and tiresome.

Yes of course they were classier. But that's completely irrelevant to what I was saying. The question was asked what class spinners Viv faced, one or two names were mentioned and I mentioned another, Underwood, and Viv's extremely good record against him.

If of course you're saying Underwood was not a class spinner, you're more than welcome to your opinion, but please don't expect anyone to take it seriously.

 

[Migara]

Blimey you're in tedious form at the moment. Please stop trying to pick a fight at every opportunity as it is unnecessary and tiresome.

Yes of course they were classier. But that's completely irrelevant to what I was saying. The question was asked what class spinners Viv faced, one or two names were mentioned and I mentioned another, Underwood, and Viv's extremely good record against him.

If of course you're saying Underwood was not a class spinner, you're more than welcome to your opinion, but please don't expect anyone to take it seriously.

Now who's trying to pick up a fight?

 

[zaremba]

Now who's trying to pick up a fight?

Let's think.
snide digs... wilful use of straw man arguments... unnecessary hostility....
Yep, that'll be you Migara.

Seriously, when you get like this it really does drag things down. I know I shouldn't rise to it though.

 

[Migara]

Let's think.
snide digs... wilful use of straw man arguments... unnecessary hostility....
Yep, that'll be you Migara.

Seriously, when you get like this it really does drag things down. I know I shouldn't rise to it though.

Well never intended to make a fight BTW.

 

[zaremba]

Well never intended to make a fight BTW.

Ok.

 

[fredfertang]

Mention of Underwood and Viv raises a point that has always interested me. Viv's attitude to him was to ignore his reputation and bully him, so nothing unusual there, but Viv was just about unique in those days. Usually batsmen, as was the fashion in the late 60s and early 70s, went into their shells when they came up against Underwood and just waited until he got them - as a youngster I could never really understand why - he was phenomenally accurate, but he didn't turn the ball a lot and didn't get that much bounce either - he seemed to me to rely on some sort of hypnotic effect tbh. In this era where most batsman have, to some degree, a positive attitude I suspect he might have picked up a great deal of stick, and been largely ineffective, so I think I'll stick to my childhood memories of the Oval in '68

 

[robelinda]

Was pretty cool to see the Oval 1968 in colour a few weeks ago.

 

[fredfertang]

Was pretty cool to see the Oval 1968 in colour a few weeks ago.

That footage is amazing - so clean and vibrant - just a shame it took Dolly's passing to bring it out of storage - would love to see all of that last afternoon

 

[robelinda]

with those funky old time graphics, very cool indeed.

 

[Digambaran]

Yes

 

[Hurricane]

Does that mean Hilditch is as good as Viv?

Or had the same weakness according to Paddles.

I remember in one test viv blasting 28 off 15 balls against us and then getting caught hooking.

I don't in my opinion think he was as tempted by the hook as hilditch though.

 

[archie mac]

But no one bowled that metronomic length as McGrath. They just intimidated batsmen with bouncers. Perhaps Hadlee was the only exception, and IIRC, he did well against Viv.

Paddles did well against everyone iirc.

A lot of very tight line and length bowlers in the 70s and 80s on faster pitches as a rule

Would like to have watched McGrath vs Viv, the latter would never have let him call the tune

 

[smash84]

But no one bowled that metronomic length as McGrath. They just intimidated batsmen with bouncers. Perhaps Hadlee was the only exception, and IIRC, he did well against Viv.

Not so sure about Hadlee doing too well against Viv.

Can anybody shed a bit more light on this subject?

 

[archie mac]

Not so sure about Hadlee doing too well against Viv.

Can anybody shed a bit more light on this subject?

It was much harder in Viv's day as there was no paid TV, so as an Aussie I only watched Aust at home and in England as a rule. Perhaps some of the NZ fans can shed some light, or one of the stats boys

 

[Hurricane]

My memory - Haldee was good against him - basing this on one series I watched where Hadlee got him a couple of times.

What the stats say - Cricinfo says he got him 3 out of the 7 matches they met and he was on an average of 33 runs at each dismissal.

He averaged 43 against New Zealand - which suggests that he did reasonably well against Hadlee while not quite at his career average.



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[archie mac]

Haldee was good against him - I will dig up some stats. But I am basing this on one series I watched where Hadlee got him a couple of times.

Cricinfo says he got him 3 out of the 7 times they met and he was on an average of 33 runs at each dismissal.

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So to make that easier to understand can you provide a 'bunny' McGrath V Atherton and the reverse Sachin V Warne

 

[Hurricane]

So to make that easier to understand can you provide a 'bunny' McGrath V Atherton and the reverse Sachin V Warne

Tendulkar appeared in 12 matches against Warne dismissed 3 times at an average of 39 (score he was on when dismissed).

Atherton dismissed 19 times in 17 matches at an average of 9.89