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***Official*** India in Australia 2011/12

scorpio1990

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
God save Indian cricket if this is the attitude going around in domestic setup
The Surfer | Cricket Blogs | ESPN Cricinfo

A contentment with mediocrity


India's rapid dip in fortunes since winning the World Cup should not surprise anyone, Mihir Bose says in Outlook. The Indian cricket team has a general lack of willingness to achieve greatness, he says, something which reflects a broader theme in the mentality of all Indians.
Far from being the new-era Indian from a town once famous for its British-era mental home, Dhoni has been shown up to be the clerk he is. I was struck by this thought when, just before the England series, he chose to launch his charitable foundation, Winning Ways—Today for Tomorrow, at a Park Lane London hotel. Why had he not launched it in Ranchi or Mumbai? It showed he was that old Indian type who’s in awe of the capital of the country that once ruled India.

In the same magazine, Rohit Mahajan places the blame for India's dismal performances in Tests squarely on the IPL. Mahajan speaks to former India coach Anshuman Gaekwad and a current Delhi player, and both agree that the IPL has become more important to Indian cricketers than first-class cricket, and it is the BCCI's attitude that has led to that.
From his vantage position beyond mid-on, outside the boundary rope, former Indian batsman and coach Anshuman Gaekwad heard some words that caused some dismay. It was a Deodhar Trophy match, a ball was hit towards him, and the man at midwicket chased it and finally dived. His captain at mid-on could have done this too, but he didn’t. The reason became clear when he admonished his teammate thus: “Are you mad, why are you diving? The IPL is coming, do you want to hurt yourself and miss it?” Gaekwad says, “I said, what the hell man, is this what cricket has come to? I was shocked, all the more so because the two players are in the Indian team now.”
 

TNT

Banned
It obviously isn't a black mark but you do ideally want to end your career on your terms rather than being forced to retire after being dropped. See Matthew Hayden, he clearly wanted to carry on but once he was left out of the ODI side he knew the inevitable was coming for his Test spot so he decided to call it a day.
Jan 3, 2009 - Hayden insists he won’t quit, wants to help new faces
Jan 8, 2009 - Hayden left out of ODI side
Jan 13, 2009 - Hayden announces retirement
Retiring to prevent being dropped is not going out on your own terms.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Ok, here's a serious question (in case the mods think its a **** stir, it isn't).

This morning I heard Sourav Ganguly give a radio interview. He was great. Reasoned views, mentioned the problems for both teams moving ahead etc.

One thing he mentioned was he enjoyed touring, including here. That he could get out among people and move around as he pleased.

After the game, abc radio journo Peter Walsh mentioned how hard it is to get senior blokes from the Indian set up for a chat. Said they've asked time and again for Tendulkar, Fletcher, Dravid; any of them.
But he was rebuffed all the time.

Before the Sydney test I mentioned going to the ground with Burgeinho and no one even being allowed to watch India practice - had to vacate the ground (tbf it was the same with Australia on one day).

So, this siege mentality and shutting yourself off. Anyone think it works? Honestly don't see how it's in any way a healthy outlook tbh. Australian teams used to have a similar outlook about touring the SC until Taylor's "No whinge, no wine" tour of Pakistan in 94.

Thoughts on this?
Dravid not being available suprises me, given how often he fronted up to the media here. Unless Dravid's particularly pally with some of the guys in the Sky box or he was just sick and tired of being India's go to guy to talk to the media after a thrashing.
 

Crazy Sam

International 12th Man
I've been really impressed with the dominance the Aussies have shown in this series. India won very few sessions and certainly didn't win many when it mattered. The obvious concern for us is the top 3 bats; Ponting and Clarke came in too often at 3/less than 100 which needs to be worked on. Warner is safe but I think Sheffield Shield will help sort these positions out.

But the best thing about it has been the ruthlessness and arrogance that the Aussies have brought to the series. It's been so nice to see it back and I'm glad the Aussies haven't apologised for it either. The best example of this was the field Clarke set when Sharma came in yesterday with all 11 players around the bat. That was the highlight of the summer for me.

Our failure in Hobart was the obvious blemish and in retrospect it's pretty annoying that we weren't able to win that match. There is still work to be done but if they keep the same mojo going forward they are going to continue to improve. Good times ahead...
 

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
Ok, here's a serious question (in case the mods think its a **** stir, it isn't).

This morning I heard Sourav Ganguly give a radio interview. He was great. Reasoned views, mentioned the problems for both teams moving ahead etc.

One thing he mentioned was he enjoyed touring, including here. That he could get out among people and move around as he pleased.

After the game, abc radio journo Peter Walsh mentioned how hard it is to get senior blokes from the Indian set up for a chat. Said they've asked time and again for Tendulkar, Fletcher, Dravid; any of them.
But he was rebuffed all the time.

Before the Sydney test I mentioned going to the ground with Burgeinho and no one even being allowed to watch India practice - had to vacate the ground (tbf it was the same with Australia on one day).

So, this siege mentality and shutting yourself off. Anyone think it works? Honestly don't see how it's in any way a healthy outlook tbh. Australian teams used to have a similar outlook about touring the SC until Taylor's "No whinge, no wine" tour of Pakistan in 94.

Thoughts on this?
It depends from person to person.. Some people are ok with it others are not. I personally would not want to interact with the press or the fans when I am training for an important series. I do believe that it would distract your focus.
 

morgieb

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Series ratings, it's kinda generous to Australian players, but meh.

Australia:

DA Warner: 7.5 – only made one innings this series, but what a ****ing innings it was.
EJM Cowan: 7 – made some very consistent digs at the top of the order and showed signs of solidity. However, he failed to kick on with his various starts.
SE Marsh: 0 – lol.
RT Ponting: 10 – terrific, especially as most people wanted to kick him out of the side. Not quite as dominant as Clarke, but unlike Clarke, he only failed in 1 innings.
MJ Clarke: 10 – I can’t remember the last time someone scored a triple century and a double century in the same series. Captained like a dream.
MEK Hussey: 7.5 – was excellent at Sydney and saved the game at Melbourne, but was rather weak elsewhere.
BJ Haddin: 4 – a quality match at Adelaide saved his grade. Elsewhere, he was poor.
PM Siddle: 10 – bowled superb. He also managed to show some balls with the bat.
BW Hilfenhaus: 10 – I still think Spikey is tasting it, tbh. Hilfy was our best, most consistent bowler by a fair way, which is outstanding given that they all chipped in.
JL Pattinson: 8 – was in great song before injury.
MA Starc: 7 – looked much better than he did against New Zealand, but it is worth noting that the only match he played was on a very green pitch.
RJ Harris: 7.5 – he’d bowl worse than that and take 10-20 wickets. My only question is; what made him so unlucky against a batting lineup that couldn’t take a trick?
NM Lyon: 5 – well, it isn’t easy to bowl spin against India, even at the best of times. He showed some knack of taking wickets in the 2nd innings at Adelaide.

India:

V Sehwag: 2 – I don’t care that he made 2 50’s. He could’ve easily gotten out 5 times in those innings.
G Gambhir: 4 – had major technique flaws exposed for substantial periods of the series. At least he showed some signs of grit and solidity later in the series.
RS Dravid: 2.5 – getting bowled out 6 times out of 8 is not a good look, particularly for someone as good as Dravid. Dravid’s series was a massive step down from England.
SR Tendulkar: 6 – India’s best batsman in the first half of the series, but still couldn’t get the elusive 100th ton. He wasn’t so good later on in the series.
VVS Laxman: 4 – had his moments, but they were quite rare this series and nowhere near as good as he used to be. If he is actually retiring at the end of this series, it’s probably the right call.
V Kohli: 7 – looked much better as the series wore on, unlike some players. However, his failures early in the series cannot be ignored.
MS Dhoni: 0 – can someone tell me what he did? Even so, he loses all points for being suspended for the final test.
WP Saha: 7 – he was good with the bat and gloves in the only test he played. Heck, I’d probably pick him over Dhoni.
R Ashwin: 4 – was decent at times with bat and ball, but at other times was rubbish.
Z Khan: 7 – well, he stayed fit for the whole series, which is a plus. However, while he bowled great until Clarke/Ponting/Hussey intervened in Sydney, after that he wasn’t much to write home about. He needed to do more given his new leash of fitness.
I Sharma: 4 – bowled well without luck, but given this is no new occurrence for Sharma, one would think that he looks good, but actually sucks.
R Vinay Kumar: 1 – in the only test he played in, he was useless. Maybe he could be better at home, but given how green Perth was, I won’t hold my breath.
Y Vadav: 7 – was hot on better bowling wickets, but looked useless on batting wickets. I’m still not sure whether he’s the next Kapil, or the next Sreesanth.
 
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Spark

Global Moderator
Been posted, but scoring a 200 and 300 has only been done by Clarke, Bradman (twice) and Wally Hammond. Clarke the only captain.
 

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