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***Official*** India in Australia 2011/12

chicane

State Captain
Congratulations Australia. What a ruthless performance. Very eager to see these guys gunning for the Ashes.

Never endured such a beating as an Indian fan, this from a fan who got involved in the 90s when it was thought we were about as hapless as can be abroad. I believed this full strength batting line-up, pretty much the best India has ever put out, had what it takes to stand up to the very best challenges abroad. I believed Sehwag will show he can score runs in these conditions. They've been demolished over 8 tests like bowling pins while their counterparts in the opposition have plundered on the same tracks. I believed this bowling attack lead by Zaheer was a potent force, that Ishant was quality and would begin to deliver, that they would show their worth in more seam-friendly conditions. They've been smashed to dust. The captaincy and fielding was tired and uninspiring too. Absolutely nothing has worked, and its so inexplicable how everything has just collapsed from the high we were at. I have some hope for the future, Kohli, Umesh, and Ashwin have shown potential.
 

stephen

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Duncan Fletcher is secretly an Australian mole. The 2005 series was an aberration - he wasn't told about the Murray Mints and dodgy umpiring until it was too late.
 

Daemon

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Positives: Kohli, Yadav (at times), Zaheer staying fit the entire series

At least now we've got the rebuilding process to watch for.
 

Burgey

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Think Yadav was good more than just at times tbh. I know he got belted at times but he's only young and he takes wickets.

Pretty decent first up tour for a young bloke.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
They were all ****. No Tests until next September? WTF? How do you have an eight month break?

Well I guess it's a blessing with this performance.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Will wait until their next test series as maybe they will announce it later on. However surely they should retire from Test cricket.
Err no. They should only retire if they don't want to play anymore; it's an entirely personal decision. If they're not good enough they should be dropped.
 

Sylvester

State Captain
Err no. They should only retire if they don't want to play anymore; it's an entirely personal decision. If they're not good enough they should be dropped.
Some do base it on being good enough or not. Heck you hear it quite a bit in the media if a player feels they can no longer contribute to the team they will hang up their boots. Gilly is the prime example and there would be many more.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Some do base it on being good enough or not.
No, they do it because they don't want to play anymore... and they don't want to play anymore because they don't feel they're good enough.

It's an entirely personal thing though. If Dravid wants to keep playing then he shouldn't retire; it's not his job to decide whether he's good enough. All he can do is make himself available (if he wants to play) and perform to the best of his ability if selected. Sometimes one's belief in one's quality/decline/whatever will influence one's passion for the game and sometimes it won't. It's an entirely personal decision that you can't really criticise either way, IMO.
 

benchmark00

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Someone was averaging 20 and someone else was averaging 12 over their last 8 test innings

By this logic Laxman, Dravid and Sehwag should be perservered with.

On the other hand, we have tried out 2 new batsmen this series, both of whom have done well.
So not willing to swallow your pride big fella?

Righto, Richard.
 

scorpio1990

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Sehwag showing off his credentials as a stand-in captain
Australia v India, 4th Test, Adelaide, 5th day: We also won 2-0 in India - Virender Sehwag | Cricket News | Australia v India | ESPN Cricinfo

India continue to keep bringing up their home record in response to their back-to-back 0-4 whitewashes in England and Australia. The moment the question about the whitewashes was asked, Virender Sehwag shot back even before it could be finished, "We also won 2-0 in India."

Sehwag didn't see a big difference in the way the team has been performing, just that the "time is not good". "Everybody is practising hard at home, and then we came here and practised really hard," he said. "We make our own plans, and it didn't click. It happens with every team, with every player. The time is not good for Indian team, for individuals, so maybe that's why we are not scoring runs.

"The moment the time changes, the next year we will see, or in the coming series, we will see our top order giving starts and middle order coming in and score big hundreds. It happens. If I am making any plans I won't tell you guys. I will go and execute in the ground rather than telling you."

Sehwag said this is the same team that has been doing well for the last few years. "Our batting has been the same for last couple of years," he said. "We were doing well in 2007, 2008, 2009. We performed really well as a team and as a batting unit. But unfortunately we didn't do well in these two series. We were looking forward to these series and suddenly didn't do well and we let down our team. It's individual responsibility to go out there and play for themselves and play for the team. And to make sure we end up with a good total of at least 300 or 400, and then our bowlers can do the job. So it's disappointment for everybody."

Sehwag also revealed that the fan and media reaction might have got to the team. "They should be upset with our performances, and I agree with them," he said. "But this is the time the fans should back the team, back the players. When we won the World Cup everybody was happy, and everybody was cheering for India.

"Now is the time we need the support from fans and everybody. They should back their own team. Which [is what] every media did. Even England media or Australia media or South Africa media, they back their teams. They criticise in such a manner that the player will not go down. They criticise their performances but they don't criticise in such a manner that the team will go down when they read the articles and see the television."

Sehwag said it was unfair to say that the India team didn't care about these defeats. "It's very unfair. Everybody cares about their performance. We are very passionate about the game, and we are passionate about the team. It's a shame if somebody is writing like that, saying like that. If you lose the game, you should go out there and work it out and what went wrong and come back and perform well in next game. We are trying that, but it is not happening. It doesn't mean that we are happy to lose."

Sehwag said there were no technical flaws with the Indian batsmen, who he said were the main reason why India went down. "I don't think technically there is a fault," he said. "Nobody was working on their technical thing because they think they have played enough cricket and they have experience and they can handle. I think they realised they were making mistakes, and they were trying to not make the same mistakes in the next games."

Sehwag accepted responsibility for his failures overseas. He has not scored a century outside the subcontinent in four years. "It's important for an opener to do well overseas, and I haven't done well. So I need to look at myself and make a good plan for the next time I go overseas. That's true."

Sehwag was asked if Indian cricket needed the kind of review Australia went through after their Ashes defeat last year. "We have to look at ourselves. What went wrong with us. And then we have to take a call." When asked what kind of review it should be, Sehwag focussed more on the individual than a systemic overhaul.

"It's an individual thing," he said. "I haven't performed well overseas, I haven't scored a hundred overseas for the last couple of tours. I have to look at myself and see what I need to do when I go to Australia or England or South Africa or New Zealand. It's my personal thing. Nothing related with the team."

The general refrain, though, remained that India didn't need big changes. "Because we were playing the same team in the last couple of years and we became the No. 1 team with the same batting line-up, the same bowling line-up."
 

Sylvester

State Captain
No, they do it because they don't want to play anymore... and they don't want to play anymore because they don't feel they're good enough.

It's an entirely personal thing though. If Dravid wants to keep playing then he shouldn't retire; it's not his job to decide whether he's good enough. All he can do is make himself available (if he wants to play) and perform to the best of his ability if selected. Sometimes one's belief in one's quality/decline/whatever will influence one's passion for the game and sometimes it won't. It's an entirely personal decision that you can't really criticise either way, IMO.
I agree but the post you quoted was me stating my opinion. And my opinion is he should retire and not have the dignity of being dropped. If he will do it is as you say his decision however my decision is he should retire.
 

Prince EWS

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I agree but the post you quoted was me stating my opinion. And my opinion is he should retire and not have the dignity of being dropped. If he will do it is as you say his decision however my decision is he should retire.
Nah, totally missed my point. I officially give up.
 

TNT

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I agree but the post you quoted was me stating my opinion. And my opinion is he should retire and not have the dignity of being dropped. If he will do it is as you say his decision however my decision is he should retire.
There is nothing bad about a player not being selected, it wont diminish anything done by that player in the past. As said before a player just makes himself available and if selected plays, its no big black mark against a player if he is not selected.
 

Teja.

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I could only properly see the first test as college started two days after. Was gutted I could not follow the rest of the series as the first test was a ripper and maybe, just maybe it was a one-off batting collapse in the second innings.

Not so gutted anymore, I'll admit.

Congrats Australia, comprehensively minnow-bashed us.
 

Sylvester

State Captain
There is nothing bad about a player not being selected, it wont diminish anything done by that player in the past. As said before a player just makes himself available and if selected plays, its no big black mark against a player if he is not selected.
It obviously isn't a black mark but you do ideally want to end your career on your terms rather than being forced to retire after being dropped. See Matthew Hayden, he clearly wanted to carry on but once he was left out of the ODI side he knew the inevitable was coming for his Test spot so he decided to call it a day.
Jan 3, 2009 - Hayden insists he won’t quit, wants to help new faces
Jan 8, 2009 - Hayden left out of ODI side
Jan 13, 2009 - Hayden announces retirement
 

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