Pecking order for Australian quicks?

[Debris]

Pattinson is no. 1 for me as he has everything - pace, skill, action, physique and attitude (obviously a **** and not the false variety like Johnson)

Whilst there is little doubt that Siddle and Hilf has improved exponentially, Pattinson is the first young bowler that I have seen in years (including McGrath) that has come into a year and led the attack virtually from the outset

Kid could be the next real superstar IMO

So you don't think Cummins was the leader of the attack in the test match he played?

 

[Spark]

One Test...

EDIT: But yes - Pattinson/Siddle/Cummins as an attack would be a joy to watch, esp. if Lyon continues to improve and Watson can still bowl.

 

[social]

So you don't think Cummins was the leader of the attack in the test match he played?

One innings of one test and it was just about the only good performance of his fc career

Dont get me wrong, I think he has great talent but he is also very raw and is on the verge of being chronically overrated on here by virtue of his bowling in one innings and then disappearing

I would actually rate him around the Starc level atm (i.e. no. 5 in the pecking order) as no-one knows whether that was anything more than a fluke

 

[adub]

He hasn't debuted yet but I'd have Haze very high in the pecking order. Certainly above Starc. Cummins and Pattinson need to prove it over more than 1 or a handful of tests, but super prospects. Siddle, Hilf and Harris deserve to be the top 3 at the moment, but like Spikey I wouldn't be giving anyone an extended run of ordinary. Perform or **** off. We have too many guys at the moment who can do the job to put up with wayward or lacklustre performances.

Johnson wouldn't even be on the list.

 

[Sylvester]

All about timing and luck. If Pattinson only had 1 test then what is being said about Cummins would apply to him rather than the certainty most have about him being in our best attack.

 

[Debris]

One innings of one test and it was just about the only good performance of his fc career

Dont get me wrong, I think he has great talent but he is also very raw and is on the verge of being chronically overrated on here by virtue of his bowling in one innings and then disappearing

I would actually rate him around the Starc level atm (i.e. no. 5 in the pecking order) as no-one knows whether that was anything more than a fluke

I thought he looked the best bowler in the first innings of that test match as well, even though he did not get the results. He also bowled well in the shield final, from all reports which was the last first-class game before that. I guess time will show.

 

[social]

He hasn't debuted yet but I'd have Haze very high in the pecking order. Certainly above Starc. Cummins and Pattinson need to prove it over more than 1 or a handful of tests, but super prospects. Siddle, Hilf and Harris deserve to be the top 3 at the moment, but like Spikey I wouldn't be giving anyone an extended run of ordinary. Perform or **** off. We have too many guys at the moment who can do the job to put up with wayward or lacklustre performances.

Johnson wouldn't even be on the list.

Hazelwood is nowhere near Pattinson and Starc atm as he's been bowling little more than military medium all year and is more comparable to Copeland

 

[Debris]

Hazelwood is nowhere near Pattinson and Starc atm as he's been bowling little more than military medium all year and is more comparable to Copeland

Sadly, Hazlewood has really been set back by injury. He was just getting his pace back to 140+ and then he got injured again. Another bowler with enormous potential if he can get over the injuries, though.

 

[uvelocity]

how good is it to not know which of your bowlers are the best because they are all performing

just need some more batsmen knocking down the door

 

[Uppercut]

Pattinson
Siddle
Hilf
Cummins
Harris

Then there's a big step down, so they only need to hope that only two out of Pattinson, Cummins and Harris are injured at any one time.

 

[Debris]

Pattinson
Siddle
Hilf
Cummins
Harris

Then there's a big step down, so they only need to hope that only two out of Pattinson, Cummins and Harris are injured at any one time.

Starc is worse than these guys at the moment but, based on his last test, I wouldn't say he is a huge step down. Also might be underestimating the ability of someone like Cutting to step up. His average in shield cricket this year is a lot better than any of the bowlers mentioned above.

 

[morgieb]

Siddle
Pattinson
Harris
Hilfenhaus
Cummins
Bollinger
Copeland
Starc
Hazlewood
Johnson

 

[Prince EWS]

Starc is worse than these guys at the moment but, based on his last test, I wouldn't say he is a huge step down. Also might be underestimating the ability of someone like Cutting to step up. His average in shield cricket this year is a lot better than any of the bowlers mentioned above.

There's definitely a big step down to Cutting.

 

[TumTum]

One innings of one test and it was just about the only good performance of his fc career

Dont get me wrong, I think he has great talent but he is also very raw and is on the verge of being chronically overrated on here by virtue of his bowling in one innings and then disappearing

I would actually rate him around the Starc level atm (i.e. no. 5 in the pecking order) as no-one knows whether that was anything more than a fluke

You must be joking. Starc level? Fluke?

He bowled well in both innings, best bowler in both innings, richly deserved his figures and was unlucky to be taken off the attack in the 1st innings when Siddle and Co cleaned the tail.

But yes he is still very raw, but that is what makes his potential much higher than Pattinson.

 

[Spark]

You must be joking. Starc level? Fluke?

He bowled well in both innings, best bowler in both innings, richly deserved his figures and was unlucky to be taken off the attack in the 1st innings when Siddle and Co cleaned the tail.

But yes he is still very raw, but that is what makes his potential much higher than Pattinson.

Given how Siddle was bowling at the time, this isn't particularly relevant...

 

[social]

You must be joking. Starc level? Fluke?

He bowled well in both innings, best bowler in both innings, richly deserved his figures and was unlucky to be taken off the attack in the 1st innings when Siddle and Co cleaned the tail.

But yes he is still very raw, but that is what makes his potential much higher than Pattinson.

Cummins is a very talented kid with an unsustainable action - fact

The first thing I said to myself when I saw him was "there's an injury waiting to happen" and lo and behold, he's out for a year

Neither you or I know when he will be back or how good he will be

However, there are a truck-load of 140 + right handed bowlers IN OZ for him to compete with if and when he does

On the other hand, there are no, zero, zilch 6'6" left arm, 140+, swing bowlers IN THE WORLD for Starc to compete against

What's more, he has a great action unlike Cummins

btw, please dont compare Cummins with Pattinson - one is almost the finished article whilst the other is a totally unknown quantity

 

[adub]

Hazelwood is nowhere near Pattinson and Starc atm as he's been bowling little more than military medium all year and is more comparable to Copeland

That's just soooo wrong. He's been bowling very nicely and showing the control that has excited since day 1. His pace has been fine and he's been NSW's most consistent Shield bowler going at under 3 rpo. Starc has a better s/r but has been giving the runs up at 4 rpo to do it. Pattinson and Starc have both really stepped up since Billy has had the chance to work with them. I'd love to see what Haze would be like with the same opportunity. I suspect he'd kill it.

If you really think that he's no where near Starc then I'd hate to have seen you 20 years ago telling everyone to forget that McGrath fellow as he's got nothing on Brendon Julian.

 

[Joao]

If you really think that he's no where near Starc then I'd hate to have seen you 20 years ago telling everyone to forget that McGrath fellow as he's got nothing on Brendon Julian.

God I hope Starc isn't BJ mark 2. I want Australian Wasim Akram.

If they all get to 90-100% potential, I hope Australia does away with our "must pick spinner crap" and play

Pattinson
Starc
Cummins
Hazlewood

As that would just be jizz-worthy. I am sure we can rustle up some pie chucking spin bowling batting all-rounder to fill the hole - Glen Maxwell ftw.

 

[Prince EWS]

That's just soooo wrong. He's been bowling very nicely and showing the control that has excited since day 1. His pace has been fine and he's been NSW's most consistent Shield bowler going at under 3 rpo. Starc has a better s/r but has been giving the runs up at 4 rpo to do it. Pattinson and Starc have both really stepped up since Billy has had the chance to work with them. I'd love to see what Haze would be like with the same opportunity. I suspect he'd kill it.

If you really think that he's no where near Starc then I'd hate to have seen you 20 years ago telling everyone to forget that McGrath fellow as he's got nothing on Brendon Julian.

Everyone learns pretty quick to ignore social's posts on how much he loves left arm quicks and how little he rates off spinners. I reckon, deep down, he wants to see an Australian attack of Starc, Johnson, Bollinger, Boyce and Smith take the field; he's that biased about the topic at times. To be fair he's right - all those runs they dock off the opposition's score for each over someone bowls with their left arm or over the wrist at the end of the innings could make it worth it. Mark Higgs still plays for the Comets too; double demerits.

 

[Top_Cat]

Social's grade record against Whitney, Alley et al would make for some interesting reading.

If you really think that he's no where near Starc then I'd hate to have seen you 20 years ago telling everyone to forget that McGrath fellow as he's got nothing on Brendon Julian.

All saying that does is shows you how hard it is to predict someone's career trajectory so early, tbh. Around '90, BJ was considered one of the best prospects around with talent to burn and every good judge was picking Allan Mullally in the Test side ahead of anyone else not named McDermott or Reid.

I like Hazlewood but he's clearly below Starc in the selector's thinking right now. It can quickly change, though, because it's all so early in their careers.