New Feature: The Greatest Test Innings

[Days of Grace]

Yes, but there is another muliplier based on the match situation. Fourth innings successful run chases and innings played in the 3rd innings when the team was in debt and went on to win get the highest boosts.

 

[Spark]

Hmm, OK. I would have thought that 4th innings runs would be far more directly tied to the result than, say, first innings runs but that's fair.

 

[NUFAN]

Final revisions made to the listWanted to have Hughes in the top 20, but I am not changing everything around just to suit one innings.

In the latest update he's moved up to 19th position.

Also, for the recent Clarke innings, if just say instead of Hussey making 150*, he made say 50, Haddin 50, Siddle 25 and Pattinson 25*, would Clarke's innings be rated much differently?

Basically I'm trying to work out how big an impact another batsman doing well has on the ratings.

 

[Cabinet96]

Was Flintoff's 70 at Edgbaston really better than Clarke's 151 at Newlands?

 

[Spark]

That would be the win/loss multipler coming into effect. IIRC if we had won Cape Town the 151 would be well inside the top ten

 

[Days of Grace]

Also, for the recent Clarke innings, if just say instead of Hussey making 150*, he made say 50, Haddin 50, Siddle 25 and Pattinson 25*, would Clarke's innings be rated much differently?

Basically I'm trying to work out how big an impact another batsman doing well has on the ratings.

Yes, there is an innings index, where the batsman's runs are divided by [the team score minus extras divided by other batsmen dismissed]

So, if there are more batsmen dismissed in your innings, you will get a higher rating.

That would be the win/loss multipler coming into effect. IIRC if we had won Cape Town the 151 would be well inside the top ten

Yes, that is correct.

Flintoff's and Clarke's innings had a base rating of 8.50 and 11.74, respectiviely.

These base ratings are then multiplied by factors that give some context to the innings, namely strike-rate, result, series status (Flintoff's innings was in a match where England were behind in the series and went on to win the game, and the series), opposition strenght and its bowling strengh, and the match situation.

 

[Xuhaib]

why is Inzi 329 at 27 and Clarke 329* is 79th?

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

How would you rate something like Bert Sutcliffe's innings here.

Obviously not officially a Test, but the Kiwis treated them as such and hardly an inadequate Australian bowling attack with Benaud and Klein in there.

Probably begs another question. Of the non-Tests played by NZ back then, whose reputation would be enhanced were the stats from those games to be included as Tests?

 

[Days of Grace]

why is Inzi 329 at 27 and Clarke 329* is 79th?

That is well pointed out. Basically, it has to do with how the other batsmen did in the game, both in the batsmen`s innings and in the other (usually 3) innings of the match.

One small flaw in my system is for the match overall average, if one team absolutely hammers the other, the small innings totals by the other team drag the overall match average down and make the pitch look harder for batting on than it really was.

New Zealand were shot out for 73 after Pakistan made 643. Then a bomb killed some people by the team's hotel and we went back home. Was an appalling tour, all round.

But yeah, I see how you would find it weird how two blokes with the same score are so far apart on the table.

How would you rate something like Bert Sutcliffe's innings here.

Around 10.00, but I can't give an exact figure because I don't know when Sutcliffe got out; thus I don't know how many runs he put on with the lower half of the batting order (another measure).

By the looks of the scorecard, NZ would have been a bit stiff to only get three days.

 

[benchmark00]

What rating does MacGill's first innings get in this match:

4th Test: Australia v England at Melbourne, Dec 26-29, 1998 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

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[HeathDavisSpeed]

Around 10.00, but I can't give an exact figure because I don't know when Sutcliffe got out; thus I don't know how many runs he put on with the lower half of the batting order (another measure).

By the looks of the scorecard, NZ would have been a bit stiff to only get three days.

Haha. Yeah. If NZ had won that game, maybe Australia would have taken them a bit more seriously a bit sooner.

I guess a lot of the big NZ innings from that era suffer because they didn't win a match. Donnelly's 206, for example. Mostly scored with Geoff Rabone, Tom Burtt and Frank Mooney (none of whom averaged over 30 in First Class cricket)

 

[Days of Grace]

What rating does MacGill's first innings get in this match:

4th Test: Australia v England at Melbourne, Dec 26-29, 1998 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

??

0.00

However, The first innings 43 registered 3.47.

Haha. Yeah. If NZ had won that game, maybe Australia would have taken them a bit more seriously a bit sooner.

I guess a lot of the big NZ innings from that era suffer because they didn't win a match. Donnelly's 206, for example. Mostly scored with Geoff Rabone, Tom Burtt and Frank Mooney (none of whom averaged over 30 in First Class cricket)

11.99

 

[Burgey]

Interestingly, it now seems Michael Clarke already has near enough to as many knocks in the ATG category as Tendulkar.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

11.99

How much if NZ had won?

 

[Days of Grace]

The easy way would just be to multiply by 1.35, which would give 16.19, but if NZ won, then more English wickets would have fallen, and NZ would have had to chase down the target, and how many wickets would they have lost in doing so?

So, I can't give an definitive answer, because it is all speculative.

 

[watson]

Revised ratings after adding in a point-of-entry/top 5 wickets index, and making slight adjustments to the mulipliers.

1 B.C. Lara 153* Australia Bridgetown 1999 Won 25.57
2 I.T. Botham 149* Australia Leeds 1981 Won 25.52
3 G.A. Gooch 154* West Indies Leeds 1991 Won 25.32
4 C. Bannerman 165* England Melbourne 1877 Won 24.14
5 V.V.S. Laxman 281 Australia Kolkata 2001 Won 23.61
6 D.G. Bradman 270 England Melbourne 1937 Won 23.03
7 C.G. Greenidge 134 England Manchester 1976 Won 22.26
8 S.T. Jayasuriya 253 Pakistan Faisalabad 2004 Won 22.17
9 C. Hill 188 England Melbourne 1898 Won 22.05
10 Azhar Mahmood 132 South Africa Durban 1998 Won 22.02
11 V.V.S. Laxman 167 Australia Sydney 2000 Lost 21.90
12 S.J. McCabe 232 England Nottingham 1938 Draw 21.63
13 G.L. Jessop 104 Australia The Oval 1902 Won 21.32
14 V. Sehwag 201* Sri Lanka Galle 2008 Won 21.16
15 D.L. Amiss 262* West Indies Kingston 1974 Draw 20.82
16 Saeed Anwar 188 India Kolkata 1999 Won 20.64
17 B.C. Lara 213 Australia Kingston 1999 Won 20.57
18 K.J. Hughes 100* West Indies Melbourne 1981 Won 20.25
19 C.L. Walcott 220 England Bridgetown 1954 Won 20.12
20 R. Dravid 233 Australia Adelaide 2003 Won 20.10
21 G.S. Chappell 176 New Zealand Christchurch 1982 Won 20.05
22 Inzamam-ul-Haq 329 New Zealand Lahore 2002 Won 20.04
23 H.P. Tillekaratne 115 Pakistan Faisalabad 1995 Won 19.92
24 M.J. Slater 123 England Sydney 1999 Won 19.82
25 V. Sehwag 319 South Africa Chennai 2008 Draw 19.64
26 Asif Iqbal 146 England The Oval 1967 Lost 19.47
27 Mohammad Wasim 192 Zimbabwe Harare 1998 Won 19.38
28 K.C. Sangakkara 156* New Zealand Wellington 2006 Won 19.35
29 P.F. Warner 132* South Africa Johannesburg 1899 Won 19.32
30 R.E. Foster 287 Australia Sydney 1903 Won 19.12
31 D.G. Bradman 334 England Leeds 1930 Draw 19.00
32 D.G. Bradman 299* South Africa Adelaide 1932 Won 18.97
33 S.M. Gavaskar 221 England The Oval 1979 Draw 18.92
34 G.M. Turner 223* West Indies Kingston 1972 Draw 18.92
35 G.C. Smith 154* England Birmingham 2008 Won 18.91
36 N. Kapil Dev 129 South Africa Port Elizabeth 1992 Lost 18.90
37 S.M. Gavaskar 236* West Indies Madras 1983 Draw 18.79
38 A.C. Gilchrist 149* Pakistan Hobart 1999 Won 18.64
39 O.G. Smith 168 England Nottingham 1957 Draw 18.57
40 V.T. Trumper 159 South Africa Melbourne 1911 Won 18.56
41 M.E. Trescothick 180 South Africa Johannesburg 2005 Won 18.45
42 D.G. Bradman 103* England Melbourne 1933 Won 18.33
43 N.J. Astle 222 England Christchurch 2002 Lost 18.17
44 G. Kirsten 100* Pakistan Faisalabad 1997 Won 18.04
45 C.L. Cairns 80 England The Oval 1999 Won 18.02
46 W.R. Hammond 231 Australia Sydney 1936 Won 18.00
47 Hanif Mohammad 337 West Indies Bridgetown 1958 Draw 17.97
48 M.A. Butcher 173* Australia Leeds 2001 Won 17.92
49 Kamran Akmal 113 India Karachi 2006 Won 17.90
50 G.R. Viswanath 97* West Indies Madras 1975 Won 17.84
51 D.G. Bradman 304 England Leeds 1934 Draw 17.80
52 W.R. Hammond 336* New Zealand Auckland 1933 Draw 17.79
53 B.C. Lara 226 Australia Adelaide 2005 Lost 17.77
54 D.L. Amiss 179 India Delhi 1976 Won 17.76
55 Hanif Mohammad 187 England Lord's 1967 Draw 17.70
56 B. Mitchell 164* England Lord's 1935 Won 17.65
57 D.I. Gower 154* West Indies Kingston 1981 Draw 17.60
58 G.S. Sobers 168 Australia Sydney 1961 Won 17.48
59 G.A. Headley 270* England Kingston 1935 Won 17.46
60 R.G. Pollock 125 England Nottingham 1965 Won 17.44
61 L. Hutton 205 West Indies Kingston 1954 Won 17.30
62 G.J. Bonnor 128 England Sydney 1885 Won 17.29
63 G.R. Viswanath 114 Australia Melbourne 1981 Won 17.27
64 A.R. Border 163 India Melbourne 1985 Draw 17.25
65 J. Ryder 201* England Adelaide 1925 Won 17.22
66 D.G. Bradman 212 England Adelaide 1937 Won 17.18
67 G.P. Thorpe 200* New Zealand Christchurch 2003 Won 17.18
68 Inzamam-ul-Haq 138* Bangladesh Multan 2001 Won 17.18
69 P.S. McDonnell 147 England Sydney 1882 Won 17.11
70 M.C. Cowdrey 102 Australia Melbourne 1954 Won 17.09
71 C.G. Greenidge 213 New Zealand Auckland 1987 Won 17.08
72 B.F. Butcher 133 England Lord's 1963 Draw 17.03
73 A.M.J. Hilditch 113 West Indies Melbourne 1984 Draw 16.93
74 M.E. Waugh 116 South Africa Port Elizabeth 1997 Won 16.93
75 J.V. Coney 111* Pakistan Dunedin 1985 Won 16.93
76 D.J. McGlew 255* New Zealand Wellington 1953 Won 16.91
77 C.G. Greenidge 214* England Lord's 1984 Won 16.90
78 R.G. Pollock 274 Australia Durban 1970 Won 16.88
79 D.C.S. Compton 278 Pakistan Nottingham 1954 Won 16.79
80 D.N. Sardesai 212 West Indies Kingston 1971 Draw 16.77
81 M.A. Taylor 144 West Indies St. John's 1991 Won 16.73
82 C.H. Lloyd 161* India Calcutta 1983 Won 16.71
83 K.D. Walters 104* New Zealand Auckland 1974 Won 16.67
84 W.W. Armstrong 159* South Africa Johannesburg 1902 Won 16.63
85 Inzamam-ul-Haq 95 South Africa Johannesburg 1995 Lost 16.62
86 L. Hutton 364 Australia The Oval 1938 Won 16.61
87 G.R. Viswanath 124 West Indies Chennai 1979 Won 16.56
88 A. Flintoff 73 Australia Birmingham 2005 Won 16.52
89 Aamer Sohail 133 Australia Karachi 1998 Draw 16.49
90 J.B. Hobbs 93* South Africa Johannesburg 1910 Won 16.44
91 M.G. Burgess 119* Pakistan Dacca 1969 Draw 16.44
92 G.S. Chappell 182* West Indies Sydney 1976 Won 16.40
93 M.J. Greatbatch 146* Australia Perth 1989 Draw 16.36
94 C.H. Gayle 333 Sri Lanka Galle 2010 Draw 16.35
95 K.P. Pietersen 142 Sri Lanka Birmingham 2006 Won 16.32
96 D.P.M.D. Jayawardene 374 South Africa Colombo 2006 Won 16.31
97 M.A. Atherton 185* South Africa Johannesburg 1995 Draw 16.27
98 Moin Khan 117* Sri Lanka Sialkot 1995 Lost 16.20
99 V.V.S. Laxman 96 South Africa Durban 2010 Won 16.15
100 R.G. Pollock 209 Australia Cape Town 1967 Lost 16.14

Pretty good list. However, from memory, Brian Lara was dropped in the outfield. A easy miss that probably cost Australia the match. Botham on the other hand played some streaky shots but didn't give a clear cut chance until he was out and the damage was done.

 

[Spark]

Interestingly, it now seems Michael Clarke already has near enough to as many knocks in the ATG category as Tendulkar.

Has a good chance of ending up with quite a few more too, if the last few months are anything to go by.

 

[NUFAN]

I keep coming back to these lists, so much time and effort has been put into it, I really think you should try and submit it to an even wider audience.

One thing that I'm finding interesting, is reading the reports of the match in question. For instance Hashan Tillekeratne's 115, rated 23rd -

Tillekeratne averted the hat-trick and batted sensibly to reach 115, his third Test century. But his only real support came from Hathurusinghe and Vaas.

Now, I didn't watch the match, but that's all the almanack report had to say of his innings.

And another.. Gordon Greenidge's 213 rated 71st:

It took all Greenidge's experience and skill to survive the difficult early period and he was 112 at the close of a shortened first day. But Greenidge, surviving straightforward chances in the outfield at 131, 148 and 187, and the steady Dujon put on 165 to consolidate their position. Dujon's 77 was his highest score for fifteen Tests. The certainty of Greenidge's play was evidenced by his high number of boundaries: seven sixes, mostly off the spinners, and twenty fours. It was not until twenty minutes before the close of the second day that, driving at Hadlee, he lost his off stump.

I wonder if First Chance Average (FCA) should be looked at slightly when working out how great the innings was? Richard/Dick for lyf.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Dick for lyf.

Admit it, you wanted to be quoted out of context.

 

[Days of Grace]

I keep coming back to these lists, so much time and effort has been put into it, I really think you should try and submit it to an even wider audience.

I am, too.

What would be the best way to start? Make my own website?