***Official*** Tendulkar vs Ponting Thread

[Spark]

His peak lasted seven or eight...

ffs this is what's going to annoy me most about ponting's decline - he's already going to be severely underrated. i can just tell.

 

[smash84]

no.....he will just be rated accordingly.......it is just like Waqar....an ATG but not quite in the tier of the Marshalls and the McGraths

 

[G.I.Joe]

If Ian Botham's rated what he is, then Waqar had better be rated at the top table, and Ponting too.

 

[smash84]

for me, Ponting is now a tier below Tendy and Lara. His performance since the retirement of McWarne leave a big question mark for me to rate him in that bracket

 

[Satguru]

It really is unfortunate how a player's standing as a legend is affected severely by his current form rather than what he's achieved over his career. Ponting imo has achieved enough to be a clear, undisputable ATG. His last 3-4 years have been terrible, but Lara and Tendulkar also had similar bad stretches. Granted, their slumps werent nearly as bad as Ponting's but im sure that if Lara hadnt got out of his 96-99 decline and if SRT had retired in 2007, or Dravid had retired last year, they would be held in slightly lower esteem by everyone.

If Ponting gets a second wind, everyone can then rightfully claim that he's as good as SRT and BCL. Unless that happens, im afraid people will underrate him just like people did with Lara ,Sachin and Dravid during their slumps

 

[Black_Warrior]

If Ian Botham's rated what he is, then Waqar had better be rated at the top table, and Ponting too.

This

 

[Black_Warrior]

It really is unfortunate how a player's standing as a legend is affected severely by his current form rather than what he's achieved over his career. Ponting imo has achieved enough to be a clear, undisputable ATG. His last 3-4 years have been terrible, but Lara and Tendulkar also had similar bad stretches. Granted, their slumps werent nearly as bad as Ponting's but im sure that if Lara hadnt got out of his 96-99 decline and if SRT had retired in 2007, or Dravid had retired last year, they would be held in slightly lower esteem by everyone.

If Ponting gets a second wind, everyone can then rightfully claim that he's as good as SRT and BCL. Unless that happens, im afraid people will underrate him just like people did with Lara ,Sachin and Dravid during their slumps

People have always had a short term memory, that is the way the world works.

 

[Burgey]

It really is unfortunate how a player's standing as a legend is affected severely by his current form rather than what he's achieved over his career. Ponting imo has achieved enough to be a clear, undisputable ATG. His last 3-4 years have been terrible, but Lara and Tendulkar also had similar bad stretches. Granted, their slumps werent nearly as bad as Ponting's but im sure that if Lara hadnt got out of his 96-99 decline and if SRT had retired in 2007, or Dravid had retired last year, they would be held in slightly lower esteem by everyone.

If Ponting gets a second wind, everyone can then rightfully claim that he's as good as SRT and BCL. Unless that happens, im afraid people will underrate him just like people did with Lara ,Sachin and Dravid during their slumps

I don't think he's ever been as good as them tbh. But he's still a great player.

I think, though, that since Viv he hit heights as a batsman only rivaled by Lara.

It's all subjective at this level I think. What we need is a Christmas stats argument.

Cos we never have enough of those....

 

[Burgey]

Actually, can the usual suspects have a stats war in here please? They usually last long enough that it'll keep them out of the tour threads for at least the first two matches.

 

[smash84]

It's all subjective at this level I think. What we need is a Christmas stats argument.

Cos we never have enough of those....

I really lol'd at this.

 

[smash84]

It really is unfortunate how a player's standing as a legend is affected severely by his current form rather than what he's achieved over his career. Ponting imo has achieved enough to be a clear, undisputable ATG. His last 3-4 years have been terrible, but Lara and Tendulkar also had similar bad stretches. Granted, their slumps werent nearly as bad as Ponting's but im sure that if Lara hadnt got out of his 96-99 decline and if SRT had retired in 2007, or Dravid had retired last year, they would be held in slightly lower esteem by everyone.

If Ponting gets a second wind, everyone can then rightfully claim that he's as good as SRT and BCL. Unless that happens, im afraid people will underrate him just like people did with Lara ,Sachin and Dravid during their slumps

Exactly. It seems Ponting isn't recovering from his slump. 4 years and counting. And his slump is worse than at least 2 of those you mentioned if not all 3. The other 3 all played/playing at the level that they did before the slumps. Ponting isn't. If anything Ponting can be compared to Botham now

 

[Black_Warrior]

Ok saying Ponting hasnt recovered from his slump is a bit harsh, he just hasn't been great that's all.
Last year he scored two half centuries in India and could easily have converted them to centuries.
This year he scored a fantastic century against India in the WC.

And recently he had two half centuries in South Africa.

 

[Satguru]

Ok saying Ponting hasnt recovered from his slump is a bit harsh, he just hasn't been great that's all.
Last year he scored two half centuries in India and could easily have converted them to centuries.
This year he scored a fantastic century against India in the WC.

And recently he had two half centuries in South Africa.

Its not really about the runs he's scored or hasnt scored, really, even though his stats are pathetic. Its more the fact that Ponting just looks past it, the manner of his dismissals, getting out three times in identical fashion to steyn, getting 20-30 odd beautiful runs and throwing it away... all these things are just so un-pontinglike. He hits his own pad more than he hits the ball, these days it seems
That said, i fully expect him to score bucketloads in the India series. Its the perfect opportunity for him to get his form back, on flat pitches, against a pathetic attack. If he fails, then its the last straw, he's just got to retire, no two ways about it.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Its not really about the runs he's scored or hasnt scored, really, even though his stats are pathetic. Its more the fact that Ponting just looks past it, the manner of his dismissals, getting out three times in identical fashion to steyn, getting 20-30 odd beautiful runs and throwing it away... all these things are just so un-pontinglike. He hits his own pad more than he hits the ball, these days it seems
That said, i fully expect him to score bucketloads in the India series. Its the perfect opportunity for him to get his form back, on flat pitches, against a pathetic attack. If he fails, then its the last straw, he's just got to retire, no two ways about it.

When people are out of form, low on confidence thats how they look when batting
I saw Tendulkar struggling against Razzaq's medium pacers when out of form and I saw Lara struggle against lesser bowlers than Steyn when out of form.

 

[Athlai]

We've seen Ponting struggle with Ishant Sharma though, so \_/

 

[Satguru]

When people are out of form, low on confidence thats how they look when batting
I saw Tendulkar struggling against Razzaq's medium pacers when out of form and I saw Lara struggle against lesser bowlers than Steyn when out of form.

Well of course, thats why i said i expect Ponting to score plenty in the upcoming series. Ponting's slump has definitely been worse than SRT's and Lara's imo. He's arguably looked much worse and its lasted over 4 years, which is a ridiculously long time

 

[Burgey]

We've seen Ponting struggle with Ishant Sharma though, so \_/

Lara got out to a girl. What's your point?

 

[smash84]

When people are out of form, low on confidence thats how they look when batting
I saw Tendulkar struggling against Razzaq's medium pacers when out of form and I saw Lara struggle against lesser bowlers than Steyn when out of form.

We've seen Ponting struggle with Ishant Sharma though, so \_/

yeah awtathlai

 

[ganeshran]

My bad!

You'd have enjoyed lifting WC thrice and oh yeah right now you'd be a very worried man...

Who wanna lose Ashes thrice and become the only Aussie captain to have done that?

Ponting won't be that man, there's no way on Earth Engalnd are winning the series this winter.

Lol, I've seen you post this a fair few times. Australia aren't going to lose the ashes IMO and it seems like your a bitter troll.

 

[Athlai]

Lara got out to a girl. What's your point?

My point was that he didn't have much of a point. Hence the \_/

Get with the times old man.