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Teja.

Global Moderator
I don't disagree with you that Kumar was the shining beacon of India's bowling 'attack' but I do find it humurous to see an average of 29.5 from three tests described as absolute quality. Just because everyone else sucked doesn't make a performance just below 30 majestic
Five wickets a game though and he was bowling a ridiculous amount of overs. I actually saw the series and thought he was absolute quality considering he was acting as the main attacking bowler, the only containing bowler and the only stock bowler..
 

ret

International Debutant
You said you 'don't rate PK in tests' and that Aaron at worst will be as good as PK at his best. You also said you'd rather have Sami in your side than PK. I think that makes it clear enough as to how you rate PK.

I know what you were trying to say. Your point is that Aaron should play because we should be encouraging fast bowling in the obscure hope that it inspires more young bowlers to bowl fast thus bringing us a magical batch of Shoaib Akhtars. Thats bull**** imo.

I agree that bowling quick isn't encouraged in India and it may not be the best of things, but that isn't the way to fix the problem.
Not only to encourage fast bowlers but also give those who are genuinely working hard to bowl quick and hv the talent to swing and reverse, along with bounce a batsman out, a chance to get decent exposure

If you are going to pick a trundler just because he can swing the ball when its new then that's not sending right signals .... What's next? Pick likes of ganguly and amaranth to open our attack? Or get guys like mark elham (hope I got the spelling right?) because they can do well in English type of conditions :lol: .... Is this where we want to go and sit on 'pace isn't everything' mantra

What many fans don't even realize that when a team has to open with a guy who is mostly good with the new ball, cannot reverse or bounce a batsman out, resorts to containing in a test match where you have to look for wkts and even when bowling in his prime the bowler has to make an effort to bowl at 135 kmph then it is disgraceful test cricket :ph34r: .... Let's put Eng behind pls, we hv to get back to the #1 spot

No trundlers in tests please
 
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Furball

Evil Scotsman
I don't disagree with you that Kumar was the shining beacon of India's bowling 'attack' but I do find it humurous to see an average of 29.5 from three tests described as absolute quality. Just because everyone else sucked doesn't make a performance just below 30 majestic
Kumar suffered because the rest of the attack he was bowling with was so bad tbat England could mostly afford to just leave him alone. I wouldn't call him majestic but he was definitely quality.
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Not only to encourage fast bowlers but also give those who are genuinely working hard to bowl quick and hv the talent to swing and reverse, along with bounce a batsman out, a chance to get decent exposure

If you are going to pick a trundler just because he can swing the ball when its new then that's not sending right signals .... What's next? Pick likes of ganguly and amaranth to open our attack? Or get guys like mark elham (hope I got the spelling right?) because they can do well in English type of conditions :lol: .... Is this where we want to go and sit on 'pace isn't everything' mantra

What many fans don't even realize that when a team has to open with a guy who is mostly good with the new ball, cannot reverse or bounce a batsman out, resorts to containing in a test match where you have to look for wkts and even when bowling in his prime the bowler has to make an effort to bowl at 135 kmph then it is disgraceful test cricket :ph34r: .... Let's put Eng behind pls, we hv to get back to the #1 spot

No trundlers in tests please
Such a bad post. The obsession with pace is what's led India to select dire bowlers like Sreesanth in the first place.
 

ret

International Debutant
So one fluke performance 5 years ago excuses about 40 Tests worth of mediocrity?
A correction: 2 fluke performances :p .... Same can be said wrt the likes of PK. To much hype for an avg perfo in Eng .... I would rather appreciate a good display of pace, swing and reverse

2 sets of bowlers below:

A: Ishant, yadav, Aaron
B: PK, VK and Mithun

I know whom I ll line up to bat against :D
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
A correction: 2 fluke performances :p .... Same can be said wrt the likes of PK. To much hype for an avg perfo in Eng .... I would rather appreciate a good display of pace, swing and reverse

2 sets of bowlers below:

A: Ishant, yadav, Aaron
B: PK, VK and Mithun

I know whom I ll line up to bat against :D
Set A please.
 

G.I.Joe

International Coach
Ofc, unless you are implying that bowling quick, bouncers and reversing are tools to look good

If so, I learned something new :p
No, they're only tools to get wickets if they actually help in the process of getting wickets. Otherwise they're not. The bowler who gets the wickets quicker and cheaper should be preferred, no matter what he looks like doing it.
 

ganeshran

International Debutant
Aaron is nothing special, but Yadav is very good and will have a good test future.
This. Aaron looks distinctly average, not sure why the hype around him. Yadav looks much more suited to test cricket. Aaron does have age on his side though - he can improve provided he puts in effort.
 

ret

International Debutant
Just to add: Aaron to be played on potential .... While yadav has impressed .... Would like to see a healthy rivalry develop b/w Aaron and yadav in terms of picking up more wkts

A couple of yrs ago or so, yadav was written off too w/ 'pace is not everything' reasoning. I remember Udinkat, a trundler, was played in tests in SA, because he was supposed to offer more despite lacking pace

My 2c
 
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Agent Nationaux

International Coach
Aaron should be kept in the squad though because he can learn a lot from ZAK.

But the most promising newcomer I have seen is Pattinson. I would rate him better than anyone else including Cummins and Yadev.
 

karan316

State Vice-Captain
As you can see, I don't rate PK much in tests, so someone like Aaron who can not only bowl quicker but also swing the ball like PK, along with probably being more useful with the old ball with reverse, make more sense. If nothing else he will get the exposure and learn while not doing much worse than PK at his best

Don't forget even the great Kapil Dev, who had a bag of tricks up his sleeves, wasnt that effective once he lost his pace then who are likes of PK

And if given the choice b/w Sami and PK, I will probably pick Sami as at least on his day, he could produce a spell of 5 for 75 or 6 for 80. PK on his day would hv 3 for 90 or 5 for 150.

If you look at Ind's history, it has produced only a handful of good quick bowlers. And as I said one of the reasons for this could be 'pace is not everything' mantra. Why bother pushing your self trying to bowl quick when you can stay by trundling and thus extending your career? ..... This is something that needs to be corrected and my focus is more on that. I would like to see Ind produce some exciting fast bowlers and to do that we hv to start somewhere even if it means taking some tough decision in the short term to get something in the long term. If we need exciting fast bowlers we need to do things where ppl want to bowl fast. A mesg needs to be sent, imo

In the past, when I had time, I would hv writen essays on this but not now .... if we can't agree on this then lets agree to disagree :)
Shaun Pollock didn't bowl 140+, but he was quite effective, PK is a pretty decent bowler, don't care if he has less pace as long as he is taking wickets, he can swing it both ways with a lot of accuracy and can bowl long spells.
 

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