Ajmal vs Swann

[smash84]

fair enough

 

[Xuhaib]

Imo Ajmal is slightly ahead of Swann for odi's. Tests atm Swann is clearly the superior bowler.

 

[Zinzan]

Imo Ajmal is slightly ahead of Swann for odi's. Tests atm Swann is clearly the superior bowler.

^ This...and since Swann's the better Test bowler, he's the superior overall for mine

 

[smash84]

Ajmal is getting better by the day. The upcoming Pak-Eng series sounds like an exciting prospect

 

[ganeshran]

Ya with Pakistan on a rise and England not so comfortable in SC conditions, the upcoming series promises to be a treat.

 

[Xuhaib]

I think we will take the odi's England will win the tests.

 

[intcricket]

Hope the Pakistani batting is adept at handling Swann the way we did.

 

[smash84]

the Pakistan batting is still pretty crap IMO

 

[ganeshran]

Pakistani batting will be clueless against Swann with the exception of YK who is a good player of spin. The flip side is that in ODIs with Afridi, Malik, Ajmal and Hafeez, Pakistan can exploit a slow turner to the hilt much more than England can

 

[smash84]

there are only slow pitches in the UAE and no turners

 

[r3alist]

Pakistani batting will be clueless against Swann with the exception of YK who is a good player of spin. The flip side is that in ODIs with Afridi, Malik, Ajmal and Hafeez, Pakistan can exploit a slow turner to the hilt much more than England can

I don't doubt swans ability to do damage, but I also don't think he will be leave the pak batsmen "clueless", his wickets are more likely to come through disciplined bowling and pressure, than trickery.

Also it's nice a little sub plot/contest, should be good to watch, I would say swann is ahead at the moment, but that's based on reputation more than ability, not sure who the better bowler is for certain.

 

[r3alist]

The other point to make is if pak batsmen do not attack and allow the opposition to dominate then they are sealing their own fate versus a decent attack.

That tactic might be sufficient for sl, but not against the better teams, if that's the approach then advantage swan, pak will be sitting ducks.

 

[smash84]

The other point to make is if pak batsmen do not attack and allow the opposition to dominate then they are sealing their own fate versus a decent attack.

That tactic might be sufficient for sl, but not against the better teams, if that's the approach then advantage swan, pak will be sitting ducks.

But you see that is the limitation of this Pakistan team (and their strength). This is the only way they know how to play.

 

[r3alist]

But you see that is the limitation of this Pakistan team (and their strength). This is the only way they know how to play.

I think it's a self imposed linitation, but one that traditionally goes against pakistans instincts.

That's fair enough for now and I understand.

But if you want to be a team that's winning then you simply need to be able to get on top of teams with batting as well, with the way we are going we rely on our bowling to always get us into match winning positions, never the batting.

 

[smash84]

I think it's a self imposed linitation, but one that traditionally goes against pakistans instincts.

That's fair enough for now and I understand.

But if you want to be a team that's winning then you simply need to be able to get on top of teams with batting as well, with the way we are going we rely on our bowling to always get us into match winning positions, never the batting.

Agreed but this controlling of instincts is actually proving to be much much better than playing to their natural instincts. At least they have a chance of posting a decent total.

The bowling can be relied upon to take 20 wickets and they have shown that. However faced with a strong batting line-up I am not sure how the bowling will perform.

For now they seem to be playing to their strenghts that is their bowling and for the near future I dont see Pak developing a batting line up that will be very attacking and at the same time be able to put up big totals.

 

[r3alist]

England bat very very deep, I really can't see us bowling them out cheaply.

Also it's presumptuous to assume we can take 20 wickets against them, IMO, they are a lot stronger than sl.

 

[Xuhaib]

nobody is picking 20 wickets consistently vs England if Pakistan is unable to do it its not the end of the world. If I was Pakistan I will prepare 2 flat Faisalabad style roads and then prepare a square turner and I hope I get lucky with the toss. Thats the only way we can get anything out of this this series.

 

[smash84]

lol good strategy

 

[smash84]

I think it's a self imposed linitation, but one that traditionally goes against pakistans instincts.

That's fair enough for now and I understand.

But if you want to be a team that's winning then you simply need to be able to get on top of teams with batting as well, with the way we are going we rely on our bowling to always get us into match winning positions, never the batting.

I always thought you were Sri Lankan

 

[Faisal1985]

funny how there is more discussion about Harbhajan v Swann then Swann v Ajmal....in this thread