Butt/Amir/Asif - Spot Fixing Trial

[fredfertang]

What they did is fraud, isn't it?

Yes it is, and not a trivial one either

 

[Xuhaib]

yeah not sure from where did this martyr image come from there is some feeling that a jail term might be a little too harsh but overall people are quite happy that they are paying for their misdeeds and spoiling the country's name.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Oh will at least we've moved on from the persecution complex and race card. Now we're on to the bleeding heart sympathisers.

They committed fraud and corruption. They are criminals. Criminals go to jail.

Asif, now subtitled one of the biggest ****s in the history of the human race, is supposedly going to appeal the guilty verdict.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Because there aren't hundreds of millions of people in poverty who in their lifetime will only make a fraction of what those three arsewipes will make in a year. But obviously because those millions of people aren't celebrities they don't really exist and we should instead sympathise with money grabbing scumbags who we are familiar with.

And you've got to be pretty naive to think that those three won't make a small fortune when they get out. Even extremely dull people like Michael Owen can have biographies written for them.

Yes it's sad that there are millions of poor people, and we all give charity to causes we think are worth while to help them out, but here is an example where we got to connect with a young guy who came from poverty and managed to change his life with a unique talent which those millions of people did not have. So it's sad and tragic when we see his downfall.

I would feel the same way if it was another sport of another person who was in a similar situation. When people were trying to get petitions signed to stop the benefits for the rioters, I was completely against that. Even though what they did was terrible, stopping their benefits would have crippled those people and would have made the situation much worse. You probably think I am naive due to my sympathies, but it's how I feel and I can't change that.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Oh will at least we've moved on from the persecution complex and race card. Now we're on to the bleeding heart sympathisers.

They committed fraud and corruption. They are criminals. Criminals go to jail.

Asif, now subtitled one of the biggest ****s in the history of the human race, is supposedly going to appeal the guilty verdict.

What race card stuff? Nobody here has said anything about them being discriminated against. If you have read my posts (or anyone else's), I have always thought that the ICC punishment was satisfactory and fair and now after the guilty verdict I don't think they should ever play for Pakistan ever again. I have only been against the jail sentence.

 

[SJS]

There is no way these sentences can be considered too harsh. Add t that the fact that these guys will actually end up serving 15, 6 and 3 months only (Butt/Asif/Amir) as has been told to them by the judge subject to good behaviour which I guess we can take for granted . . . unless a bookie approaches them for something else inside the jail :-)

Seriously, if 15, 6 and 3 months in jail is also too much, what we are saying is that any jail sentence is too harsh and just the ban (for whatever number of years) is all that is needed.

If that is what we think we should do to people who get caught and convicted of fixing we might as well go back to ICC, BCCI and PCB handing out their form of justice and say goodbye to the slimmest chance of a deterrent

 

[fredfertang]

Custodial sentences serve no useful purpose for the overwhelming majority of white collar criminals (the dishonest kind anyway) and for nearly all of them it can quite reasonably be said that financial ruin, loss of face and the loss of their earning capacity is more than sufficient punishment for their wrongdoing. The purpose of the sentence of imprisonment for them is as a deterrent, to discourage others who might be tempted down the same path.

 

[Scaly piscine]

There is no way these sentences can be considered too harsh. Add t that the fact that these guys will actually end up serving 15, 6 and 3 months only (Butt/Asif/Amir) as has been told to them by the judge subject to good behaviour which I guess we can take for granted . . . unless a bookie approaches them for something else inside the jail :-)

Seriously, if 15, 6 and 3 months in jail is also too much, what we are saying is that any jail sentence is too harsh and just the ban (for whatever number of years) is all that is needed.

If that is what we think we should do to people who get caught and convicted of fixing we might as well go back to ICC, BCCI and PCB handing out their form of justice and say goodbye to the slimmest chance of a deterrent

Yes the letting people out for 'good behaviour' halfway through is a bit of joke. In a lot of the crimes the temptation is no longer there, so the good behaviour is meaningless. If you've got fraudsters, corrupt folk, paedophiles, rapists (of the opposite ***), drunk drivers etc.

'Good behaviour' becomes the default situation for a lot of prisoners, instead of something that has to be earned by a few people who've shown genuine progress.

 

[SJS]

Custodial sentences serve no useful purpose for the overwhelming majority of white collar criminals (the dishonest kind anyway) and for nearly all of them it can quite reasonably be said that financial ruin, loss of face and the loss of their earning capacity is more than sufficient punishment for their wrongdoing. The purpose of the sentence of imprisonment for them is as a deterrent, to discourage others who might be tempted down the same path.

I entirely agree.

One sympathises with what the families must be going through but really it is that, the social stigma and, hopefully a life ban now from ICC and PCB will put some fear into potential fixers.

If the Pakistani fans and public want to do good for the game, they need to make sure they do not forget what these guys did and not have them back "in respect" as our member of parliament with the magical wrists from India has managed . . .

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Well SJS, Butt now has the "qualifications" to become the President of Pakistan.

 

[fredfertang]

All those serving sentences under four years are entitled to be released at the half way point of their sentence on licence. It has nothing to do with good behaviour whilst inside (although it did do in years gone by). If, following their release, they breach their licence conditions they can be recalled to serve all or part of the rest of the sentence.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

What are the conditions of the breach? Will they have to remain in the UK for a brief period under supervision?

 

[fredfertang]

What are the conditions of the breach? Will they have to remain in the UK for a brief period under supervision?

I doubt that would be possible - I don't know, but assume, that they are Pakistani nationals with no right to remain here after release anyway so that sort of condition could not apply

If they did have any sort of right to be here, and somewhere to go, they could get out before the half way point on Home Detention Curfew

 

[r3alist]

Oh will at least we've moved on from the persecution complex and race card. Now we're on to the bleeding heart sympathisers.

They committed fraud and corruption. They are criminals. Criminals go to jail.

Asif, now subtitled one of the biggest ****s in the history of the human race, is supposedly going to appeal the guilty verdict.

How condescending and uppity.

Anyone with a casual knowledge of the British legal system knows that a crime does not equal jail sentence, or even consumerate jail sentence.

Relative to other crimes their sentence is harsh to some, and I am not the only one to note this.

As bad as they are when your hyperbole is surely Tongue in cheek, there are far nastier and evil people roaming our streets who the legal system have been light on, let's not try and portray them like murderers or paedophiles, or is that the aim here?

 

[Furball]

Well even if we disagree about their jail sentence, they will still have to go through it. I hope that it passes without incident and that once they are free, they manage to secure decent jobs outside of cricket to support their families, otherwise the whole thing will be such a tragedy, especially for Amir. That's why I feel for him the most because he hasn't made that much money from cricket and now what profession can he really work in without an education.

Haha please, you're desperate for something to happen to one of them so you can play that Race Card you've been clutching so tightly to your chest.

 

[Fusion]

Asif, now subtitled one of the biggest ****s in the history of the human race, is supposedly going to appeal the guilty verdict.

Oh get a grip. One of the biggest ****s "in the history of the human race"? Yeah, he's right up there with Hitler and OBL.

Also, so what if he's appealing? That's his legal right. The same legal system that gave you the satisfaction of his conviction also affords him the right to appeal. So let the **** appeal. The verdict is unlikely to change and I highly doubt the jail sentence will either.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Haha please, you're desperate for something to happen to one of them so you can play that Race Card you've been clutching so tightly to your chest.

What are you on about.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Worrying about someone's safety or the well being of his family is a race issue?

 

[Cevno]

Spot-fixing controversy: Mohammad Asif likely to appeal verdict | Pakistan Cricket News | ESPN Cricinfo

Seems their Lawyers initially really thought and advised them that there was a good chance of not getting a sentence.

They appeal to the High court?

 

[Shri]

But bear in mind that we don't want to know about sore butts

Yeah hearing about Salman and the rest of the Butts whining about his sentence is bad enough.