Butt/Amir/Asif - Spot Fixing Trial

[Lillian Thomson]

The judge has lost his marbles. I wouldn't expect any of these sentences to stand on appeal.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Spot fixing at cricket. I'm sure there are victims of real crime who'd feel pretty hollow seeing these kids go to jail, if UK is anything like Australia theres some pretty sideways stuff that ruins lives and goes unpunished. Cricket betting scandals pretty low on the list for mine. Before you go crazy, I'm all for it - just seems out of wack (though not up to date on UK justice system ftr)

Yep, completely agree with that (except the I'm all for it part).

 

[Spikey]

guys let's look on the bright-side.

'You told the journalist that it would cost £50-80,000 to fix a bracket, £400,000 to fix a 20/20 match result, anything between £300,000-£450,000 to fix a one day international and £1m to fix a test match. '

At least test cricket is still number 1 in the eyes of bookmaker's

 

[r3alist]

Spot fixing at cricket. I'm sure there are victims of real crime who'd feel pretty hollow seeing these kids go to jail, if UK is anything like Australia theres some pretty sideways stuff that ruins lives and goes unpunished. Cricket betting scandals pretty low on the list for mine. Before you go crazy, I'm all for it - just seems out of wack (though not up to date on UK justice system ftr)

Yep I agree, and before people start howling I agree with the cricket judgements, but different views on prison sentences.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

I don't understand some of the comments made by the judge

On Asif:

There is no evidence of any prior involvement on your part in such activities but it is clear that Majeed had every confidence in you playing your part when identifying the no ball that you would bowl on the 26 th August. It is hard to see how this could be an isolated occurrence for you either.

Source: Pakistan spot-fixing scandal: live - Telegraph

That is just a presumption that Asif committed other spot fixes (we need to remember that no one got defrauded because this was only a trial to prove that players were under the control of Majeed). So why such a sentence with that being taken into account, without any proof?

 

[Daemon]

Harsh..makes up for the relatively short bans they got from cricket though.

 

[benchmark00]

Expecting Asif to be available to play against Sri Lanka in the first one dayer.

 

[r3alist]

Harsh..makes up for the relatively short bans they got from cricket though.

How does that one work??

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Spot fixing at cricket. I'm sure there are victims of real crime who'd feel pretty hollow seeing these kids go to jail, if UK is anything like Australia theres some pretty sideways stuff that ruins lives and goes unpunished. Cricket betting scandals pretty low on the list for mine. Before you go crazy, I'm all for it - just seems out of wack (though not up to date on UK justice system ftr)

I agree with you that the justice system in UK is messed up. I said elsewhere that they'd have got shorter sentences for fiddling with a kid over here. I just think our justice system is too soft throughout the board, would increase the sentences and make it a deterrant not a short holiday.

 

[Scaly piscine]

I don't understand some of the comments made by the judge

On Asif:

There is no evidence of any prior involvement on your part in such activities but it is clear that Majeed had every confidence in you playing your part when identifying the no ball that you would bowl on the 26 th August. It is hard to see how this could be an isolated occurrence for you either.

Source: Pakistan spot-fixing scandal: live - Telegraph

That is just a presumption that Asif committed other spot fixes (we need to remember that no one got defrauded because this was only a trial to prove that players were under the control of Majeed). So why such a sentence with that being taken into account, without any proof?

Oh god here we go again with the 'no proof' crap.

There have reams of exchanges on mobile phones, text messages and so on that will have been reviewed by the judge. Whilst these aren't enough to convict for other occasions they can be taken into consideration when sentencing. These exchanges obviously made it clear enough in the judge's mind that it was not an isolated incident.

 

[four_or_six]

Pleased to see the judgement. Butt's is longer than I expected but Asif's and Amir's seem fair.

Still makes me sick to think the last time I watched Pakistan live I was on my feet applauding Butt for his second innings rearguard effort against the Aussies, along with the whole of Lord's.

 

[Athlai]

The judge could just as easily be alluding to that even if this was the first occurrence after this involvement he'd be likely to do more down the line.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

So you will take Mazhar Majeed's words that there were other instances? If that is the case then, he also claimed that Australian players were also involved.

 

[Scaly piscine]

I agree with you that the justice system in UK is messed up. I said elsewhere that they'd have got shorter sentences for fiddling with a kid over here. I just think our justice system is too soft throughout the board, would increase the sentences and make it a deterrant not a short holiday.

I remember 3 utter scumbags in Manchester didn't even go to jail for torturing a vulnerable autistic kid.

Gang who 'tortured' teen for three days walk free | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

Absolutely disgusting and vile things which in my opinion should have resulted in an *indefinite* custodial sentence because such warped minds are a danger to anyone vulnerable in society. You can't allow people as twisted as that to roam free on the streets.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

I remember 3 utter scumbags in Manchester didn't even go to jail for torturing a vulnerable autistic kid for an extended period.

Gang who 'tortured' teen for three days walk free | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

Absolutely disgusting and vile things which in my opinion should have resulted in an *indefinite* custodial sentence because such warped minds are a danger to anyone vulnerable in society. You can't allow people as twisted as that to roam free on the streets.

Yes but you can allow people who are not at all harmful to society to serve prison sentences.

Regarding prior occurrence, this is what the judge said, "There is no evidence of any prior involvement on your part in such activities".

So why then take that into account when sentencing?

 

[four_or_six]

So you will take Mazhar Majeed's words that there were other instances? If that is the case then, he also claimed that Australian players were also involved.

There's text message evidence, isn't there, it's not just Majeed's words?

And anyway... who really believes this is an isolated incident?

 

[superkingdave]

I don't understand some of the comments made by the judge


That is just a presumption that Asif committed other spot fixes (we need to remember that no one got defrauded because this was only a trial to prove that players were under the control of Majeed). So why such a sentence with that being taken into account, without any proof?

The sentencing is based on the no-balls, the judges comments are just that (at least thats how I read it)

eg for Butt

21. I sentence you in respect of the no balls bowled at Lords alone but bear in mind your prior agreement in respect of the maiden over at the Oval, of which telephone evidence was heard, as well as the West Indies exchanges.

and Asif

32. I sentence you in respect of your agreement to bowl that no ball, again bearing in mind all the factors I have mentioned before in sentencing today.

 

[Howe_zat]

I remember 3 utter scumbags in Manchester didn't even go to jail for torturing a vulnerable autistic kid.

Gang who 'tortured' teen for three days walk free | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk

Absolutely disgusting and vile things which in my opinion should have resulted in an *indefinite* custodial sentence because such warped minds are a danger to anyone vulnerable in society. You can't allow people as twisted as that to roam free on the streets.

Don't forget yer torch and pitchfork.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Don't forget yer torch and pitchfork.

Funny you say that.

There is a guy round the corner from me and he is awaiting retrial for paedophile charges after the original trial collapsed and a group of people on the school run are surprised he hasn't been targetted for a kicking etc. Even more amazing is he has been cleared to take his child to school each day.

Makes you keep your kids close when you see him anyway.

 

[marc71178]

How does that one work??

Because the cheating ****s should've been banned for life.