Butt/Amir/Asif - Spot Fixing Trial

[Spikey]

And crimes and offences differ. If I kill a guy and you mug a guy do you want the same sentence as me?

Now I'm pleased the topic of Samuels got raised, as I consider 2 years for what he did and Amir only getting 5 a massive, massive joke and insult to the game. The comparison between Samuels and Warne-Waugh is much much better because simply both of them didn't go onto the field and accept money to do what the bookmakers wanted. That's the major difference here. Amir, Asif and Butt accepted money not to provide information (although no doubt they did) but to go out onto the field and do whatever the bookmakers wanted. It literally boggles the mind the mind people are defending them and don't want them banned forever. They whored themselves for money.

 

[Spikey]

Cricketer_RDJ Richard DJ Edwards
#spotfixing Judge says he refuses to accept Amir's basis of plea that his involvement relates only to the Lord's Test match
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[intcricket]

And crimes and offences differ. If I kill a guy and you mug a guy do you want the same sentence as me?

Now I'm pleased the topic of Samuels got raised, as I consider 2 years for what he did and Amir only getting 5 a massive, massive joke and insult to the game. The comparison between Samuels and Warne-Waugh is much much better because simply both of them didn't go onto the field and accept money to do what the bookmakers wanted. That's the major difference here. Amir, Asif and Butt accepted money not to provide information (although no doubt they did) but to go out onto the field and do whatever the bookmakers wanted. It literally boggles the mind the mind people are defending them and don't want them banned forever. They whored themselves for money.

Samuels got simply 2 yrs. I think it was light coz Indian papers said he was pretty much fixing. The WICB didn't take an action as strict as the BCCI did with Jadeja, but its their call.

And I'm glad that you use the statement that "They whored themselves for money", for that is exactly what Azhar, Jadeja, Samuels, Gibbs, Amir, Butt, Asif, Warne and Waugh did.

No one is against the crime sentence to these lads. Butt deserves to be tried for lying through his teeth (ice-cream parlour, or so this money was for). However, a crime is a crime, an offence is an offence. Australia should have taken stricter action coz their players sold themselves for money.

 

[intcricket]

Cricketer_RDJ Richard DJ Edwards
#spotfixing Judge says he refuses to accept Amir's basis of plea that his involvement relates only to the Lord's Test match
3 minutes ago

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I feel sad for Amir. But he's done a crime and unfortunately for him, he'll have to pay for it.

 

[Furball]

So a crime in 2008, was a virtue in 1992 by that logic?

Assuming you're not trolling, no, that's not what I'm saying at all. Thanks to the match-fixing scandal of the 1990s, the cricketing world has changed. A bookmaker in the early 90s phones you and says "I'll give you $10,000 for pitch and team information", most players would probably have thought, yep, that's some easy money for information that wouldn't be controversial if a journalist was asking you the same question in a press conference. In the aftermath of Hansie-gate, associating with bookmakers, never mind accepting money, is a huge no-no.

 

[Furball]

Samuels got simply 2 yrs. I think it was light coz Indian papers said he was pretty much fixing. The WICB didn't take an action as strict as the BCCI did with Jadeja, but its their call.

And I'm glad that you use the statement that "They whored themselves for money", for that is exactly what Azhar, Jadeja, Samuels, Gibbs, Amir, Butt, Asif, Warne and Waugh did.

No one is against the crime sentence to these lads. Butt deserves to be tried for lying through his teeth (ice-cream parlour, or so this money was for). However, a crime is a crime, an offence is an offence. Australia should have taken stricter action coz their players sold themselves for money.

Regardless of what action you think the ACB should have taken, it is ridiculous to equate what Warne and Waugh did with the other names on your list.

 

[intcricket]

Assuming you're not trolling, no, that's not what I'm saying at all. Thanks to the match-fixing scandal of the 1990s, the cricketing world has changed. A bookmaker in the early 90s phones you and says "I'll give you $10,000 for pitch and team information", most players would probably have thought, yep, that's some easy money for information that wouldn't be controversial if a journalist was asking you the same question in a press conference. In the aftermath of Hansie-gate, associating with bookmakers, never mind accepting money, is a huge no-no.

What you are unfortunately constantly ignoring is an answer to this simple question- was it right to accept $10,000 or whatever is offered?

 

[intcricket]

Regardless of what action you think the ACB should have taken, it is ridiculous to equate what Warne and Waugh did with the other names on your list.

They have collectively shamed the sport. All of them. Even the ones that have got away.

 

[Furball]

What you are unfortunately constantly ignoring is an answer to this simple question- was it right to accept $10,000 or whatever is offered?

No it wasn't but that still doesn't equate what they did with the actions of people who fixed the outcomes of matches and deliberately underperformed.

 

[intcricket]

No it wasn't but that still doesn't equate what they did with the actions of people who fixed the outcomes of matches and deliberately underperformed.

See, there are levels at which a crime is committed.

Lets take 3 fictional people-

Tom is a pick-pocketer,
Harry is a murderer,
Dick is a history sheeter.

Regardless of their crimes, they have something in common - they are all criminals, offenders.

 

[Spark]

See, there are levels at which a crime is committed.

Lets take 3 fictional people-

Tom is a pick-pocketer,
Harry is a murderer,
Dick is a history sheeter.

Regardless of their crimes, they have something in common - they are all criminals, offenders.

I look forward to the trial of the kid who shoplifted the corner shop for crimes against humanity.

This black-and-white approach to justice is not only wrong, it's downright dangerous.

 

[intcricket]

What is the latest on Amir?

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

I look forward to the trial of the kid who shoplifted the corner shop for crimes against humanity.

He should definitely get life in prison, maybe even the death penalty.

 

[Spikey]

He should definitely get life in prison, maybe even the death penalty.

Or wegive him a slap on the wrist....and Harry the murderer too

 

[intcricket]

I look forward to the trial of the kid who shoplifted the corner shop for crimes against humanity.

This black-and-white approach to justice is not only wrong, it's downright dangerous.

There is unfortunately a selective black-and-white approach to crime. My point is, don't spare anyone. When you pick up the broom-stick clean all the dirt or kachra, as we in India call it.

Now the incidents of the past will constantly come up for comparisons. It is upto the sports administrators to ensure that justice is delivered for all future verdicts the way it admirably has been here.

 

[Furball]

See, there are levels at which a crime is committed.

Lets take 3 fictional people-

Tom is a pick-pocketer,
Harry is a murderer,
Dick is a history sheeter.

Regardless of their crimes, they have something in common - they are all criminals, offenders.

 

[intcricket]

What is the latest on Amir by the way?

We can cut the facepalm's (I'm pretty much having the same reaction actually) and agree to disagree on the subject.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Is that the spaceship where you inject manship into womanship to create childship?

 

[intcricket]

^^ Hahaha. Good one.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Yeah, try as I might, I can't seem to recall where I've heard that before.