Butt/Amir/Asif - Spot Fixing Trial

[four_or_six]

Can understand if the arguments are still going on, but I thought that all the arguments had concluded earlier and the Jury was deliberating for the past few days and still was hung.

Can the judge in such a situation refer to the same jury again? I.e ask those in minority to change their positions?

I don't know, I'm just speculating that the jury might have asked for clarification on something or other.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Does anyone know how they tried to explain away the no balls?

 

[Spark]

Aamir did the right thing. Unfortunately for Butt and Asif, their lies got caught.

On a different note, I find it shocking that Pakistani doesn't even possess the diplomatic prowess to get their players tried in their own country.

???

The crime occured in England.

 

[four_or_six]

Does anyone know how they tried to explain away the no balls?

Butt said he didn't know anything about it, basically said Asif and Amir did it by themselves.

Asif said Butt shouted "run faster you ****er", or somthing like that, and it caused him to overstep.

 

[Daemon]

Why hasn't Mazhar Majeed released the names of other cricketers he claimed to have had contact with?

 

[r3alist]

On one level u don't want to see them do a long stretch, not according to my sense of justice.

On the other hand it acts as a tough deterrent which is a good thing.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

Feel sorry for Butts wife and newborn.

 

[intcricket]

???

The crime occured in England.

To state you a few examples-

1. The famous Azhar-Cronje episode occurred in India but the Kings Commission charged them and pursued the case in SA. If Indian law would've had its way, the players would've been behind bars for quite some time. However, some strings were pulled and no one bar Gibbs faced trouble from the Indian police.

2. Shane Warne and Mark Waugh committed an offence of providing information to an Indian bookmaker during Australia's tour of Sri Lanka in 1994. The case was pursued in Australia, despite being committed in Sri Lanka.

3. Dilshan (allegedly) raped a woman in Zimbabwe but wasn't even detained.

The point I am trying to make here is that the respective boards pulled a few strings and got their players back home. Pakistan doesn't seem to have the ability/credibility to do the same.

 

[Cevno]

This has to be the first Conviction of players relating to Match fixing in cricket in any country?

 

[Agent Nationaux]

If there is any justice then Wasim, Malik, Azhar and the rest should also go to jail (if these two go to jail).

 

[Burgey]

Aamir did the right thing. Unfortunately for Butt and Asif, their lies got caught.

On a different note, I find it shocking that Pakistani doesn't even possess the diplomatic prowess to get their players tried in their own country.

I think a lot of countries are taking any diplomatic requests from Pakistan with a fairly large grain of salt these days.

 

[Cevno]

Why hasn't Mazhar Majeed released the names of other cricketers he claimed to have had contact with?

Didn't he do that already in court ? But obviously it wasn't given much credibility due to the source ?

Link -

Spot-fixing trial: 'Aus players biggest culprits': Cricketnext

 

[intcricket]

I think a lot of countries are taking any diplomatic requests from Pakistan with a fairly large grain of salt these days.

Yes. Its a shame what they have done to themselves. ZERO accountability and ethics.

Didn't he do that already in court ? But obviously it wasn't given much credibility due to the source ?

Link -

Spot-fixing trial: 'Aus players biggest culprits': Cricketnext

I don't understand. When he accuses the Pakistani players, he is a credible source and when he accuses Australia, he is not?

 

[Prince EWS]

I think a lot of countries are taking any diplomatic requests from Pakistan with a fairly large grain of salt these days.

Haha, quite.

 

[Cevno]

I don't understand. When he accuses the Pakistani players, he is a credible source and when he accuses Australia, he is not?

He didn't accuse any Pakistani player though, he was caught red handed.

After getting caught him accusing many cricketers all over the globe may certainly raise suspicion, but can't be taken with any credibility in law without any direct or even circumstantial proof. Especially coming from a person who is charged, of the same crime and been caught.

 

[Prince EWS]

Yes. Its a shame what they have done to themselves. ZERO accountability and ethics.



I don't understand. When he accuses the Pakistani players, he is a credible source and when he accuses Australia, he is not?

It's more a case of "when he names specific individuals and backs it up with hard evidence he's a good source, and when he makes blanket statements about an entire nation's playing stock without providing evidence, elaborating on specific incidents or even telling anyone who he's talking about then it's dismissed as the useless crap it is".

 

[intcricket]

He didn't accuse any Pakistani player though, he was caught red handed.

After getting caught him accusing many cricketers all over the globe may certainly raise suspicion, but can't be taken with any credibility in law without any direct or even circumstantial proof.

Was there any investigation done to support the Australian players' claim that Majid was lying?

 

[marc71178]

On one level u don't want to see them do a long stretch, not according to my sense of justice.

Why not, guilty as charged, lock them up.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Boom tish!

**** I'd love it if Butt went to jail. Won't happen though.

They both will.

In England crimes involving money get ridiculously tough sentences. You can do a fraud and get 10 years yet only 6 months for fiddling with kids. Go figure.

 

[intcricket]

It's more a case of "when he names specific individuals and backs it up with hard evidence he's a good source, and when he makes blanket statements about an entire nation's playing stock without providing evidence, elaborating or specific incidents or even telling anyone who he's talking about then it's dismissed as the useless crap it is".

Has there been any investigation into his alleged charges?