Kallis Vs Dravid

[Satguru]

I dont know if Dravid can be considered a greater batsman than kallis, but for me, personally, he's certainly played many more memorable innings than jakes. It might be a bit unfair, because statswise, kallis is better than tendulkar, lara, ponting etc... he's the best batsman of the generation statswise, but i cant really think of too many really iconic memorable hundreds from him...

Lara:
153* antigua
213 same series
375
400
226 vs australia
plenty more

Sachin:
136 at chennai
114 at perth
155 vs australia
169 vs SA
103 vs england
and more

Ponting:
156 at manchester
The two doubles against india in 2003
Twin centuries at durban in 100th test
etc

Dravid:
148 vs england 2002
180 at eden 2001
233 at adelaide
Twin centuries at Hamilton
Twin fifties at sabina 2006
etc

Kallis:
The 161 mentioned above was great
and..

I dont know why i cant really pick too many of Kallis's hundreds out to be truly special, its not even as though i dont follow SA cricket because i do. And i know some people might point out some other of his hundreds that deserve to be mentioned as truly great innings, but unfortunately i look at Kallis and see a run-machine, with very few iconic moments . When he retires though, people will look at his stats and go "Greatest cricketer ever" and it will be tough to argue.

 

[Howe_zat]

Thank you weldone . Btw, why the "no"?

"No" is generally used in order to indicate disagreement.

 

[intcricket]

There are quite a few comparison threads in CW that are quality threads. Probably because you are new to the forum, you think these are like some of youtube comments sections.

...depends on which way you are taking the discussion...

My initial opinion about this forum when I joined a year back wasn't high. All I could see was people squabbling with each other in a lot of threads. Its got slightly better now, with the odd idiot still lurking around.

But all in all, I think comparison threads are good as long as people can stick to comparison in a fair, unbiased manner.

My pick among these 2 great gentlemen whom the thread is about is- Rahul Dravid.

 

[intcricket]

"No" is generally used in order to indicate disagreement.

Funny guy.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Chris Martin.

 

[kingkallis]

Dravid for me, but Kallis stats are starting to look really good now.

I'd rather say, Dravid's stats dipped a bit. Kallis is doing the same good work for decades now!

 

[Uppercut]

Kallis has plenty of memorable knocks from a purely cricketing perspective. But series involving South Africa often lack a bit of edge in a sense- they have no major rivals, they rarely fill their stadiums for test matches and their fans don't often act obnoxiously enough as to make us passionate about wanting them to lose. There's just no South African equivalent of an India-Pakistan test or a deciding test in an Ashes series. These are the matches that cricket fans remember.

It's a little unfortunate because the quality of cricket involving South Africa and the other top teams has been insane for the past few years. SA-India last year, SA-England the year before, the last two India-SA series, SA-Australia and Australia-SA in '08/'09.. The top five most entertaining series of the past three or four years might well all involve South Africa. The quality of cricket is as memorable as it gets, but they can't quite produce the context and background to match it.

 

[weldone]

...series involving south africa often lack a bit of edge in a sense- they have no major rivals, they rarely fill their stadiums for test matches and their fans don't often act obnoxiously enough as to make us passionate about wanting them to lose. There's just no south african equivalent of an india-pakistan test or a deciding test in an ashes series. These are the matches that cricket fans remember.

It's a little unfortunate because the quality of cricket involving south africa and the other top teams has been insane for the past few years. Sa-india last year, sa-england the year before, the last two india-sa series, sa-australia and australia-sa in '08/'09.. The top five most entertaining series of the past three or four years might well all involve south africa. The quality of cricket is as memorable as it gets, but they can't quite produce the context and background to match it.

awta

 

[Cruxdude]

Dravid for me. Maybe there is a bit of bias here but never really liked Kallis's batting and that kind of affects how you rate players.

 

[centurymaker]

Dravid's got the higher quality runs....
Plus, he's saved counless games through just sheer defending, which doesn't show up in the avg, does it?
and the difficulty of batting on southafrican wickets largely depends on the bowlers you are facing tbh.

Just to take a closer look at their performances against the better sides, I've taken out WI, NZ, ZIMB, Bang (both have feasted on them quite a bit) as on average these four teams have had pretty ordinary attacks in the last 10 years or so...

Kallis- avg- 48.9
Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

Dravid- avg- 46.3
Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo


yes, kallis is ahead, but you have to take into account the fact that dravid has always had to face guys like donald, steyn, pollock and co, whereas kallis has had the luxury of facing indian bowlers....

Darvid's avg against SA- 33.8
Kallis avg against India- 72.0

Kallis' record against Aus in SA- 35.66
Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo
kinda backs up my point.


Plus the fact that dravid has a superior away record and has saved/won more games than kallis, I feel dravid takes it overall.....

before anyone says that kallis scores more tons, i'd like to point out that dravid jointly holds the world record for the most 90s (10 of them!!)
kallis isn;t known for scoring big hundreds anyway so overall both are alot closer than most of you guys think....

kallis' innings don't stand out either tbh...

What I expect-
Kallis to regress a bit towards the end of his career and make his stats look less surprising...

Dravid's already gone through that decline so i think he'll end on a high after a good series in australia/ or against england next year.

 

[Furball]

Dravid. And I base that on nothing whatsoever.

So shoot me.

You could at least have based it on the indesputable, scientific fact that Dravid is a far more handsome bloke than Kallis.

I'd go Dravid but that's based purely on bias; what Uppercut wrote about no-one giving a **** about South Africa has a lot of merit and it's largely why I'm choosing Dravid, because to me he's had far more memorable innings than Kallis has. Plus, the recent series in England tilts it massively in Dravid's favour for me, purely because I've never seen a batsman stand so tall whilst the rest of his team-mates were getting so utterly dominated.

At this level of greatness, you can either go with your subjective biases or you can sit for 4 hours on statsguru and nitpick to the nth degree. I CBF doing that, particularly when one of the players in question is one of my favourite cricketers of all time.

 

[Flem274*]

Stats alone dont portray greatness. Shaun Pollock had better stats than Shane Warne, but we consider only one of them as a great bowler.

Anyway, dont want to derail the thread. Just wanted to make a point that having better stats dont constitute greatness.

I disagree.

 

[hang on]

Plus, the recent series in England tilts it massively in Dravid's favour for me, purely because I've never seen a batsman stand so tall whilst the rest of his team-mates were getting so utterly dominated

u did see vaughan in 02 in antipodea? or lara in 99 against the ockers?

 

[Quaggas]

Kallis, but only because I cannot recall a single Dravid innings.

 

[Top_Cat]

Dravid. It's fair subjective but Dravid more likely to drive the oppo's play in his team's direction than Kallis, for mine.

Also, I just love watching SA lose and that they've lost as often as they have despite having a bloke with 11000+ Test runs in their line-up makes it just that much sweeter to see.

 

[Quaggas]

Dravid. It's fair subjective but Dravid more likely to drive the oppo's play in his team's direction than Kallis, for mine.

Also, I just love watching SA lose and that they've lost as often as they have despite having a bloke with 11000+ Test runs in their line-up makes it just that much sweeter to see.

You mean Dravid>Kallis because he's the one player likely to take away your fix?

 

[robelinda]

Im a little stunned that Kallis has more votes than Dravid. Dravid is so much better than Kallis its ridiculous. I think i'll have to make a video to ease my pain.....i'll think it will be of Kallis' brilliant exploits in England.....

 

[hang on]

Im a little stunned that Kallis has more votes than Dravid. Dravid is so much better than Kallis its ridiculous. I think i'll have to make a video to ease my pain.....i'll think it will be of Kallis' brilliant exploits in England.....

good lord! u are asking for it. kallis will score a mountain of runs in the tests...at a fair clip too.

 

[Migara]

Stats alone dont portray greatness. Shaun Pollock had better stats than Shane Warne, but we consider only one of them as a great bowler.

Pollock > Warne as a cricketer.

 

[Migara]

Dravid for me. Sanga vs Kallis would be a better comparison.