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Something to make Australians happy-Hilditch and Chappell got the chuck
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Spikey
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It's not, but it's also not make or break. If the best man for the job played test cricket great. if he didn't, well then oh well, he's still the best man for the job
and of course there's the other thing about whether you need to be a test player to have a feel for cricket. I've played nothing but park cricket but I think it's safe to say compared to Hilditch and co.......I mean that guy in NZ, the lawn bowls guy, still played first grade and coached first grade iirc. i think that's fine. a lot of people seemed to think it wasn't
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My take out from the review was that Australian cricket lost it's ****ing brain for awhile there and simply went into cruise control. eg the promotions of hilditch and neilsen from within, langer and hayden getting cushy jobs, bringing back chappell, no-one really in danger of losing their jobs bar the spinners. This appointment is almost the opposite of that. It's risky. He wasn't already involved with CA. He wasn't a former player. He's, essentially, a nobody.
All that said, that doesn't mean this will work, of course. But this isn't typical CA at work
All that said, that doesn't mean this will work, of course. But this isn't typical CA at work
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Howe_zat
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Completely revived the Tigers (union side) over here as Director of Rugby. After Dean Richards had failed to live up to Leicester's dominant run of 1998-2002 and the Tigers had sunk from being by far the best in the league to being a mediocre premiership side, mostly thanks to an over-reliance on old players, Howard replaced him and turned the tigers back into a force - within two years he got us one match away from the Treble in 2007, before leaving.
More importantly, rather than relying on a core of half a dozen special players, the newer success was built on squad rotation and a lot of things done off the field, so it was able to keep going. Leicester have gotten to six GP finals in a row since he took over. I've enormous respect for him.
howardj
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i don't think anybody is saying that.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
As Howzers says, he's very well thought of in rugby circles, especially those in and around the East Midlands.
If memory serves, he left the Tigers to return to Oz to run his own pharmaceutical concern, so has coaching and business credentials.
Was a very good 2nd 5/8 too, fwiw.
If memory serves, he left the Tigers to return to Oz to run his own pharmaceutical concern, so has coaching and business credentials.
Was a very good 2nd 5/8 too, fwiw.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
If anything, Cricket Australia's biggest failing in the last couple of years has been the appointment of too many "cricket people."Have a cricket person in there?
Good God no.
Just a certain "skillset"
Probably won them over with a good powerpoint presentation, like Dean Bailey.
Seriously, how did the Rugby team go while he was their high performance manager?
Point is, unless it's somebody absolutely exceptional/irresistible, then best go with a cricket person.
What are Justin Langer's credentials for being Australia's batting coach? Who is he accountable to if his performance is poor? (and Australia's middle order batting woes point to him being utterly **** at his job)
What does Greg Chappell do? Why was he appointed? Who is Troy Cooley accountable to?
Cricket Australia have given the impression over the last 2-3 years that they're running an Old Boy's Network where the only criteria you're judged on is how matey you all are with Ricky Ponting. Appointing a non-cricket person clears the decks and breathes fresh air into a stale organisation. Australia's fielding excellence in the early 2000s was on the back of employing baseball coaches - an example of where appointing a non-cricket person worked well.
Redbacks
International Captain
The middle order not being good enough and playing England had a lot to do with it also.
After all the years of success it was time that a few people got found out I guess. We were saying things like:
-Best domestic comp in the world:
Now we question whether the test players get enough games and if the standard has fallen too far.
-Succession plan of 1 player going a year will put us in a good position:
Many retirements at once 'and' losing to ATG bowlers made this strategy appear to work before reality hit in.
-Good selectors without the disease that appeared to trouble England for many years:
12 spinners since Warne. 17 man squad before a test match. Just lucky the NSW junior system is so good we get enough talent to eventually override even the worst admin.
After all the years of success it was time that a few people got found out I guess. We were saying things like:
-Best domestic comp in the world:
Now we question whether the test players get enough games and if the standard has fallen too far.
-Succession plan of 1 player going a year will put us in a good position:
Many retirements at once 'and' losing to ATG bowlers made this strategy appear to work before reality hit in.
-Good selectors without the disease that appeared to trouble England for many years:
12 spinners since Warne. 17 man squad before a test match. Just lucky the NSW junior system is so good we get enough talent to eventually override even the worst admin.
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Furball
Evil Scotsman
The Australian middle order had been underperforming for a lot longer than just the last Ashes.
West Indies at Perth, Pakistan at Sydney, 1st Test in New Zealand, Pakistan at Headingley all saw ridiculous batting collapses from Australia. Add in the two Ashes Tests lost in 2009 as well. The Australian batting lineup has been underperforming for a long time now.
Howe_zat
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Oddly enough, isn't that roughly as long as Langer has been the batting coach?
Redbacks
International Captain
That's true, it's just they were horribly exposed in the Ashes to the point where selectors could no longer put their heads in the sand as we were still getting some results at that time. At 1-1 and the end of the Perth test all the cricketing brains trust still thought we were as good a side as England.
howardj
International Coach
One of Australia's most experienced cricket writers shares my perfectly reasonable concerns.
Captain Michael Clarke, the new head coach and chairman of selectors will be reporting to someone who cannot explain a doosra.
This may not matter given that Howard will be performing a big picture co-ordinating role but just how will someone outside the game benchmark the performances from cricket's main men?
Captain Michael Clarke, the new head coach and chairman of selectors will be reporting to someone who cannot explain a doosra.
This may not matter given that Howard will be performing a big picture co-ordinating role but just how will someone outside the game benchmark the performances from cricket's main men?
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Craig McDermott an old boys club pick and the bowling's been better so just picking the right person matters too. And when Cooley came on-board, his credentials were 'England's first Ashes win in 20 years', that decision only looks bad in hindsight. The rest, however......
Redbacks
International Captain
Do we know enough details about his full role yet?
submitted a great video to get the job
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Haha, that's absolute rubbish. You don't need to have played a sport at any level to understand it. It's not like they've hired someone who until they got the job though of insects chirping at night when he heard the word 'cricket.'