Who is the greatest Indian batsman of all time?

[Burgey]

AWTA

It does suit some people to pretend that it's sacrilege to criticise Tendulkar and to paint any defence of the man as hero worship.

Come off it mate. He had a low series. That's all I said. Jono, back in the country and appropriately on his high horse, said his series wasn't lamentable because he averaged 34. I said that included a 90 in a dead rubber and maintained he had a lamentable series.

What's so awful about that?

 

[G.I.Joe]

Come off it mate. He had a low series. That's all I said. Jono, back in the country and appropriately on his high horse, said his series wasn't lamentable because he averaged 34. I said that included a 90 in a dead rubber and maintained he had a lamentable series.

What's so awful about that?

I don't have any issue with you calling his tour lamentable. Some people might not agree with it, but at least it's a point that can be debated on its merits. I deliberately left out the portion about the lamentable business from Jono's post when quoting it, because that wasn't the portion of the post I was specifically in agreement with.

Calling it sacrilege to criticise Tendulkar, and claiming that anyone in defence of the man is a hero worshipper is a different thing. It's lazy and unfair. It's laying grounds for automatically invalidating the opinion of any person who happens to be in disagreement on that matter.

 

[Burgey]

I don't have any issue with you calling his tour lamentable. Some people might not agree with it, but at least it's a point that can be debated on its merits. I deliberately left out the portion about the lamentable business from Jono's post when quoting it, because that wasn't the portion of the post I was specifically in agreement with.

Calling it sacrilege to criticise Tendulkar, and claiming that anyone in defence of the man is a hero worshipper is a different thing. It's lazy and unfair. It's laying grounds for automatically invalidating the opinion of any person who happens to be in disagreement on that matter.

The first bloke to refer to Tendulkar hero worship in this thread was Jono, actually.

I'd said jumping to his defense re this series is ridiculous or something, then Jono posted I'd made out defending tendulkar this series makes someone a fan boy, which hadn't been said at all.

So now we have tendulkar fans criticizing critics by saying the critics are suggesting they are fan boys when they didn't, and in doing so rather proving they are.

 

[smash84]

So now we have tendulkar fans criticizing critics by saying the critics are auggesting they are fan boys when they didn't, and in doing so rather proving they are.

 

[G.I.Joe]

The first bloke to refer to Tendulkar hero worship in this thread was Jono, actually.

I'd said jumping to his defense re this series is ridiculous or something, then Jono posted I'd made out defending tendulkar this series makes someone a fan boy, which hadn't been said at all.

So now we have tendulkar fans criticizing critics by saying the critics are auggesting they are fan boys when they didn't, and in doing so rather proving they are.

You did specifically mention the word 'sacrilege' in a rhetorical fashion before Jono mentioned the hero worship.

And then, of course, there was Gotspin being his usual trollish self.

 

[Outswinger@Pace]

Once again, the polls have revealed what the majority thinks.

The great Tendulkar has 2/3rd votes in his favour, so I am not sure if his loyal fans have reason to be upset. Your man, apparently, is the greatest batsman that India have ever produced according to popular perception. That settles it, I reckon!

 

[GotSpin]

Was just a joke you tosser...sensitivity running a little high these days it seems

A reference to dearly departed Vijay as well

 

[G.I.Joe]

Was just a joke you tosser...sensitivity running a little high these days it seems

Don't you have some more 'subtle baiting' to do somewhere?

 

[GotSpin]

Don't you have some more 'subtle baiting' to do somewhere?

How was that even baiting? It was a joke based upon the dross Vijay was spewing out before he got banned. Besides, I haven't been baiting that much at all lately either. I'm sorry for my joke, lucky you're not a mod right

 

[Outswinger@Pace]

Was just a joke you tosser...sensitivity running a little high these days it seems

A reference to dearly departed Vijay as well

He'd be back with a bang. Your sins will not go unpunished, you evil, conniving blasphemer. Judgment day is upon thee and therein the Buddha will deliver the final verdict.

 

[Spark]

That'll do, kids.

 

[GotSpin]

yawn.

 

[Burgey]

You did specifically mention the word 'sacrilege' in a rhetorical fashion before Jono mentioned the hero worship.

And then, of course, there was Gotspin being his usual trollish self.

Think I give up. The number of times people come on here and say player X averaged whatever but that included a score in a game which was either a dead rubber or when certain bowlers are out is legion.

It astonishes me, does this. Not like I said he was a buffoon or some other infractable comment.

 

[Burgey]

Once again, the polls have revealed what the majority thinks.

The great Tendulkar has 2/3rd votes in his favour, so I am not sure if his loyal fans have reason to be upset. Your man, apparently, is the greatest batsman that India have ever produced according to popular perception. That settles it, I reckon!

He is the best batsman India has produced IMO.

 

[Outswinger@Pace]

He is the best batsman India has produced IMO.

Cool! Not among the top 3 Indian batsmen in my opinion but I can appreciate someone else's. Cheers!

 

[JBMAC]

He is the best batsman India has produced IMO.

Bradman agreed with you Burgey so you just might be on the right track

 

[smash84]

Cool! Not among the top 3 Indian batsmen in my opinion but I can appreciate someone else's. Cheers!

haha....really? Who are your top 3 indian batsmen?

 

[sachin200]

Cool! Not among the top 3 Indian batsmen in my opinion but I can appreciate someone else's. Cheers!

I know you are a dravid fan but comeon... Sachin not in Top 3 ???

I can understand people saying Gavaskar as the best Indian batsman but Dravid cannot be considered as the best Indian batsman simply because he was the best batsman of India only 4-5 years and the only thing he has done that Sachin hasn't done is to score a hundred like the one dravid scored in Headingley (2002). Thats the only thing that Dravid has over Sachin...

Sachin has top scored for India about 70 times (in an inns - excluding Bangladesh) whereas Dravid has about 50 times ( Sachin played about 298 inns where as Dravid 273 inns)

Dravid has contributed in India's following Overseas victories

1. Headingley 2002
2. Adelaide 2003
3. Rawalpindi 2004
4. Jamaica 2006
5. Perth 2008

Sachin has contributed in following Indian overseas victories..

1. Port of Spain 2002
2. Headingley 2002
3. Multan 2004 (Sehwag scored 309)
4. Trentbridge 2007
5. Perth 2008
6. Hamilton 2009

 

[Jono]

You did specifically mention the word 'sacrilege' in a rhetorical fashion before Jono mentioned the hero worship.

And then, of course, there was Gotspin being his usual trollish self.

Think I give up. The number of times people come on here and say player X averaged whatever but that included a score in a game which was either a dead rubber or when certain bowlers are out is legion.

It astonishes me, does this. Not like I said he was a buffoon or some other infractable comment.

Come on Burge. You specifically said it was sacrilegious to criticise Sachin, even for one series. The implication was clear, that I was not willing to accept any criticism of Sachin and was defending him like a fanboy.

Bit harsh considering I've been bitching about him for the last 6 weeks since the ****er refuses to score runs whenever I attend test matches, even when I ****ing fly 17,000kms to see him.

WAC

 

[sumantra]

Dravid has contributed in India's following Overseas victories

1. Headingley 2002
2. Adelaide 2003
3. Rawalpindi 2004
4. Jamaica 2006
5. Perth 2008

Sachin has contributed in following Indian overseas victories..

1. Port of Spain 2002
2. Headingley 2002
3. Multan 2004 (Sehwag scored 309)
4. Trentbridge 2007
5. Perth 2008
6. Hamilton 2009

well, frankly, so many others also must have contributed in these matches that u have mentioned, bowlers as well as other batsmen...i guess, the point here is to see, who made the most important/ significant contribution that mattered the most...if i go one by one from the beginning, 1) Headingley: 2002 - both of them scored centuries, but Tendulkar's one came in comparatively easier condition, dravid played on the first day and the pitch was more difficult, i think u will agree that his 148 should considered more important than that of tendulkar's 193...if fact, i think, it was Dravid who got the man of match also...so his knock was more significant, though i am no way trying to demean the tons of ganguly and sachin..., 2) Adelaide: 2003 - was Dravid all the way...233 and 72*...hands down...3) Rawalpindi: 2004 - again, no questions...dravid scored 270, and the next best contribution was 77 by ganguly...4) Jamaica: 2006 - again, dravid all the way among the batsmen...his 81 and 68 were two highest scores in the entire match - from india and west indies...5) Perth: 2008 - this one is a bit close between sachin and dravid...u mentined it in both sachin's and dravid's list...which is fair enough, but again, the most important innings was Dravid's 93 in the first innings...tendulkar scored 71 in the first also, while laxman also made serious contributions...i think it's fair to say, that no one had that one significant contribution here, laxman scored most runs, and dravid's 93 in the first innings was the highest in the entire match among the two teams...but still, let's not give it to anybody6) Port of Spain: 2006 - this one goes to tendulkar, marginally, cos while tendulkar in two innings scored 117, dravid scored, 103...but think, tendulkar gets this one...7) Headingley: 2002 - already mentioned...8) Multan: 2004 - well, this one clearly goes to Sehwag...hands down, (if tendulkar is mentioned in this one, than dravid should have been mentined in that port of spain one also...9) Trent Bridge: 2007 - this one is again very very tight...i think u gave it to tendulkar because of that 91...dinesh karthik scored 99 runs in that match (77, 22), tendulkar scored 92 (91 and 01), jaffar scored 84 (62 and 22), not only that, laxman scored 79 in one innings and ganguly also scored 54...they didnt need to bat in the second...almost everyone contributed...let's not give it to anyone (like perth)...10) Perth: 2008 - this one has already been talked about...11) Hamilton: 2009 - this one belongs to tendulkar, hands down...and i think u have missed out the match in the recently concluded west indies series...which should have been the 12) Sabina Park: 2011 - this one, i think u will agree, dravid...

so i will say, most important contribution wise, the list should be

Dravid
Headingley 2002
Adelaide 2003
Rawalpindi 2004
Jamaica 2006
Jamaica 2011

Tendulkar
Port of Spain 2002
Hamilton 2009

so it's 5-2...headingley marginally to dravid, port of spain marginally to tendulkar...leave both of them, it's 4-1...