Who is the greatest Indian batsman of all time?

[sumantra]

Its funny how things change after one series. I reckon had this thread been made after the South Africa test series Sachin would have won around 85-90% of the vote and Dravid may have received close to none.

even if Dravid scored 1000 runs in this England series, i would have still gone with Gavaskar, hands down...and if Tendulkar did that, the first 3 would have remained the same for me, Gavaskar-Dravid-Tendulkar for the time being...

 

[indiaholic]

Outswingeratpace has the weirdest taste in batsmen. While his opinions on bowlers have been exemplary and enlightening, his opinions on batsmen has often baffled me. Not that the batsmen he chooses are not greats, they are. But clearly not in the same league as Tendy.
And yes, the current series did have an effect. For most people Tendulkar had gone up in their estimation due to his recent run of form. With his non performance and Dravid's awesome series, people might have been swayed.

 

[Burgey]

Outswingeratpace has the weirdest taste in batsmen. While his opinions on bowlers have been exemplary and enlightening, his opinions on batsmen has often baffled me. Not that the batsmen he chooses are not greats, they are. But clearly not in the same league as Tendy.
And yes, the current series did have an effect. For most people Tendulkar had gone up in their estimation due to his recent run of form. With his non performance and Dravid's awesome series, people might have been swayed.

And so he should. He was lamentable.

 

[Cevno]

No he wasn't.

 

[Jono]

While that would have been true for the average YouTuber, I reckon CW members stand on firmer ground. IMHO, the results wouldn't have been too different.
I see Tendulkar leading this poll and while I personally don't agree with it, it seems the CW majority is consistent in their opinions.

Not at all. CW is just as fickle as the rest of the cricketing world.

And so he should. He was lamentable.

Far out Burgey go do some work on a client's file and stop trolling ffs.

 

[Burgey]

Not at all. CW is just as fickle as the rest of the cricketing world.

Far out Burgey go do some work on a client's file and stop trolling ffs.

Ffs mate. Of course it affects the way people perceive him, especially compared with Dravid. If we're leaving out **** series, I'll take Punter's 2001 series in India out.

Tendulkar was rubbish this series. Doesn't mean he's not a great player.

 

[Jono]

But he wasn't lamentable, which is the point. He was ordinary. He still averaged 34.12, which is more than Dravid has averaged in many series against far lesser opposition. Averaging 34 may be crap for Sachin's high standards, but its far from disastrous.

Of course Dravid was far far better, but that's irrelevant to your description of Sachin's series.

 

[sumantra]

But he wasn't lamentable, which is the point. He was ordinary. He still averaged 34.12, which is more than Dravid has averaged in many series against far lesser opposition. Averaging 34 may be crap for Sachin's high standards, but its far from disastrous.

Of course Dravid was far far better, but that's irrelevant to your description of Sachin's series.

hey, i see Tendulkar got 12 times more votes in this poll than Rahul Dravid (of course i don't agree with that and i voted none of them)...what is your point mate???

 

[Jono]

Uhhhh, from the post you quoted, my point was that I disagree with Burgey that Sachin was lamentable. Not really anything to do with the poll or who you voted for at all.

 

[shankar]

But he wasn't lamentable, which is the point. He was ordinary. He still averaged 34.12, which is more than Dravid has averaged in many series against far lesser opposition. Averaging 34 may be crap for Sachin's high standards, but its far from disastrous.

That's including a run-out as well...

 

[sumantra]

Uhhhh, from the post you quoted, my point was that I disagree with Burgey that Sachin was lamentable. Not really anything to do with the poll or who you voted for at all.

u said CW is fickle as the rest of the cricketing world, i was answering to that...sorry i quoted the wrong one...lol

 

[Jono]

You didn't quote that post.

CW has always been fickle, as are most cricketing journalists, fans etc.. People changing their views on players' whole careers based on a little bit of form is nothing that CW or most cricket fans are immune from. That is my point. Flintoff was an all-time great allrounder for a few years and then he wasn't, despite what he achieved not changing. You see views on Sehwag change from being an all-time great to a flat track bully basically series-to-series.

I honestly believe that if this poll was taken when 6-12 months ago when Sachin was winning awards left right and centre and dominating all forms of the game, and Dravid was nicking balls to slip after making 20-30-odd, then no one would have been suggesting Dravid was better.

If people genuinely believe Dravid has been the better test batsman when they compare careers, that is their right. All I am saying is that I reckon Sachin would have an even HIGHER percentage of the vote in this thread (and Dravid even less votes than the 4 he has) had this poll occurred right after Sachin made one of his best tons ever vs. South Africa in Cape Town whilst Dravid struggled.

 

[Outswinger@Pace]

Outswingeratpace has the weirdest taste in batsmen. While his opinions on bowlers have been exemplary and enlightening, his opinions on batsmen has often baffled me. Not that the batsmen he chooses are not greats, they are. But clearly not in the same league as Tendy.

I'll admit that appreciating good batsmanship was more of an acquired taste for me. Unlike bowling (esp. pace and swing) which I reckon came naturally.

Be that as it may, I acknowledge that Tendulkar is a great player. And the man has played over two decades, so performance/non-performance in one series is hardly a factor in my judgment.

Just that in an all-time list, a few others may sneak ahead of him. I believe among the top-notch players (which all the 5 best Indian batsmen I list, are) the difference is never that great. Boils down to individual preferences in the end.

 

[Outswinger@Pace]

If people genuinely believe Dravid has been the better test batsman when they compare careers, that is their right.

That's the case with me, friend.

The only way to monitor what you are saying is to keep having these polls in regular intervals. If opinions change drastically, that'll automatically prove that a fair majority of forumers are fickle-minded.

 

[Jono]

That should make for some fascinating forum posting

 

[Burgey]

But he wasn't lamentable, which is the point. He was ordinary. He still averaged 34.12, which is more than Dravid has averaged in many series against far lesser opposition. Averaging 34 may be crap for Sachin's high standards, but its far from disastrous.

Of course Dravid was far far better, but that's irrelevant to your description of Sachin's series.

He made 90 odd in a dead rubber tbf.

 

[centurymaker]

He made 90 odd in a dead rubber tbf.

Dravid scored by far his best 100 of the series in the 4th test too (146 not out) so it shouldn't be take into consideration either according to you ??

this dead rubber talk is bs tbh especially when you are 3-0 down trying to avoid a whitewash.

 

[Burgey]

Dravid scored by far his best 100 of the series in the 4th test too (146 not out) so it shouldn't be take into consideration either according to you ??

this dead rubber talk is bs tbh especially when you are 3-0 down trying to avoid a whitewash.

Haha, give over mate. Dravid scored consistently pretty well through the whole series, and you know it.

Is it sacrilege to suggest Tendulkar had a dud series?

Honestly mate, it's hilarious, the rushing to his defense with regards his performances this series. He wasn't alone, but he was dire. Dravid stood tall this series, the rest of the batting line up did not (Sehwag obviously coming in cold didn't help, but that was his own fault for prioritising the IPL over this series).

Why can't you just admit it? Does it make him a **** player? No.

Does it mean he had a **** series? Yes.

 

[GotSpin]

how dare you insult Buddha

 

[smash84]

Haha, give over mate. Dravid scored consistently pretty well through the whole series, and you know it.

Is it sacrilege to suggest Tendulkar had a dud series?

Honestly mate, it's hilarious, the rushing to his defense with regards his performances this series. He wasn't alone, but he was dire. Dravid stood tall this series, the rest of the batting line up did not (Sehwag obviously coming in cold didn't help, but that was his own fault for prioritising the IPL over this series).

Why can't you just admit it? Does it make him a **** player? No.

Does it mean he had a **** series? Yes.

Tbf to centurymaker I am not sure if he is one of those jingoistic Tendulkar nationalists.

Wasn't he the one who was propagating names like Endulkar and Chokedulkar?