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Cevno

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
GeraintIsMyHero said:
archie has already explained all the reasons why Hobbs would go better than Sehwag in the SC (or anywhere)
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And many people have explained why Sehwag would go better and not based on Hypotheticals tbf.
What he would do in England or Australia is largely irrelevant to that. In all conditions he would do better than Sehwag on average and there are more openers who come into question, but Sehwag's whole game is primed to succeed in SC.

Would be interested to get a answer to this tbf -

Would be interested to know in people's opinion what a current opener needs to do in the SC to be picked ahead of Either Hobbs or Gavaskar?
 
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archie mac

archie mac

International Coach
Cevno said:
And many people have explained why Sehwag would go better and not based on Hypotheticals tbf.
What he would do in England or Australia is largely irrelevant to that. In all conditions he would do better than Sehwag on average and there are more openers who come into question, but Sehwag's whole game is primed to succeed in SC.

Would be interested to get a answer to this tbf -

Would be interested to know in people's opinion what a current opener needs to do in the SC to be picked ahead of Either Hobbs or Gavaskar?
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Still seems you are not understanding tbh:wacko:

My argument is that Hobbs would score plenty of runs and would not need to be replaced by Sehwag.

To replace Hobbs or Gavaskar they would have to be a good a batsman as them and score runs in all conditions. Not really a matter of SC for me to tell the truth:)
 
Cevno

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
archie mac said:
Still seems you are not understanding tbh:wacko:

My argument is that Hobbs would score plenty of runs and would not need to be replaced by Sehwag.

To replace Hobbs or Gavaskar they would have to be a good a batsman as them and score runs in all conditions. Not really a matter of SC for me to tell the truth:)
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But the thing is if you are selecting a team to play in the Subcontinent then surely you take the best batsman in those conditions and who has performed there?
If you were picking a team based for all conditions i agree that unless you require a specifically quick scoring opener then many openers including Hobbs,Hutton and Gavaskar would be ahead of Sehwag.
But if you are going horses for courses that is where Sehwag comes in because he provides a different dimension with his technique being primed for those conditions and a proven track record. Plus then he creates doubts for opposition with attacking cricket.

Besides Sehwag has scored runs everywhere and his only real alleged weakness has been in condition where there is swing,Seam and lateral movement. And these type of conditions rarely exist in the sub continent with the new ball.
Still i am not saying Hobbs or Gavaskar isn't a valid choice but to say that you can't select Sehwag ahead of them makes no sense wrt the criteria in question.
 
Cevno

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
Lillian Thomson said:
Show the ability to make runs on a wearing pitch in the second innings.
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If he averages 89 and 82 in the first innings i'll take a second innings average of 31/32 every time.And remember this is coming at a strike rate of 85 which puts the opposition on the backfoot straightaway before even the spinners come on the said wearing tracks.

Also what the said strike rate does is make sure that the opposition captain declares a bit later every time because he is afraid that a quick cameo of 60 from him like in Chennai 2008 against England would make a 400 chase look like 300 pretty soon.

Besides the matches in India in the second innings become low scoring and it is not as if he has ever had a particular weakness against spinners or uneven bounce. Infact he is one of the best batsman i have seen(if not the best) on a uneven bounce track which is 2 paced from the start. You don't average 65 in Srilanka, Pakistan and India without playing well on slow turning tracks or even quick bouncy turning tracks.

Gavaskar compared averaged 46 in the second innings with 53 in the first innings. While Hobbs never played here so even though probably he would have done well it is all speculation how well he would have done in such conditions and weather among other factors.
 
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smash84

smash84

The Tiger King
Cevno said:
But the thing is if you are selecting a team to play in the Subcontinent then surely you take the best batsman in those conditions and who has performed there?
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You mean something along the lines of picking Kapil over Lillee for the SC?
 
archie mac

archie mac

International Coach
smalishah84 said:
You mean something along the lines of picking Kapil over Lillee for the SC?
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Lets compare apples with apples. How many times do they leave a batsman out of team because of the conditions? Bowlers on the other hand it is quite often an issue. In Aust for instance there is often debate whether to play the spinner at the WACA or two at the SCG. Never any debate about leaving batsman out because of the conditions.
 
Cevno

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
So you come to the conclusion that Sehwag struggles against Spin and and Uneven bounce based on watching him? Serious?:unsure:

And also First innings runs are equally important to second innings ones,imo.
 
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smash84

smash84

The Tiger King
archie mac said:
Lets compare apples with apples. How many times do they leave a batsman out of team because of the conditions? Bowlers on the other hand it is quite often an issue. In Aust for instance there is often debate whether to play the spinner at the WACA or two at the SCG. Never any debate about leaving batsman out because of the conditions.
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hmmm....well some times batsmen may be dropped or picked because of conditions too but you do have a point I suppose
 
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