*Official* Second Test at Trent Bridge

[Howe_zat]

Statsguru link of the day

Bres WAG

 

[Burgey]

Anyone claiming Bell was trying to run a 4th is simply being dishonest.

That may or may not be the case, but you shouldn't just wander around our of your crease if the ball is in play (keeping in mind I've only seen the one link which Spikey posted).

Sounds like Dhoni acted in a very sporting manner, by all accounts. Be a nice legacy for his captaincy I think.

 

[Jacknife]

Bres WAG

Modern day legend is Bres.

 

[Burgey]

It's rather neat that after KP dropped Yuvraj, who went on the make 60-odd and so give India a lead of 60-odd, KP went and perfectly cancelled it out with his own 60-odd.

He was like a good cognac - superb after lunch.

 

[Burgey]

Mainly because we are a good side and nobody around the world can accept the fact. We demolished Australia in Australia in a fashion which no side has done in the history of cricket and before the series the home side were favourites. We thrashed Pakistan, we beat Sri Lanka yet got no credit for all 3 series wins as they are sides with problems.

England fans have said it for a while, you don't bowl sides out as cheaply as we are of late and score the amount of runs we are without being a good side. maybe if we reach number 1 some people will wake up and smell the coffee. Doubt it though.

You didn't see the West Indies between 1980 and 1989 then..

 

[Jacknife]

That may or may not be the case, but you shouldn't just wander around our of your crease if the ball is in play (keeping in mind I've only seen the one link which Spikey posted).

Sounds like Dhoni acted in a very sporting manner, by all accounts. Be a nice legacy for his captaincy I think.

I agree he shouldn't but it is something that's crept in the last few years, when it's lunch or tea, batsmen meandering to the pavilion when they feel like it.
At the time the only guy who wasn't wandering off for tea, is the guy who took the bails off, most of the players had presumed the ball had gone for 4.

 

[Cevno]

I agree he shouldn't but it is something that's crept in the last few years, when it's lunch or tea, batsmen meandering to the pavilion when they feel like it.
At the time the only guy who wasn't wandering off for tea, is the guy who took the bails off, most of the players had presumed the ball had gone for 4.

That's not true though. Dhoni was the one who threw the ball to Mukund. Otherwise he would have kept it in his gloves or thrown into the umpire.

 

[Burgey]

Going to run and run this one. We could of course walk off and the game will be declared a draw at a later date.

Guffawed.

 

[Burgey]

You're not seriously comparing the two are you?

What will get seriously bad is if Bell is correct that Rauf called over. If he did then there is no way that should be out.

If Rauf called over it can't be out, can it?

Apologies for posting on this, I didn't see the incident til a short while ago.

 

[Cevno]

If Rauf called over it can't be out, can it?

Apologies for posting on this, I didn't see the incident til a short while ago.

Think the appeal was made to the square leg umpire(who was at point) so was a case of when he called Over actually wrt appeal.

If he had called Over before the appeal and the bails being taken off don't think it could have been out.

 

[Jacknife]

That's not true though. Dhoni was the one who threw the ball to Mukund. Otherwise he would have kept it in his gloves or thrown into the umpire.

Having just watched it back to be sure, he wasn't within 15 meters of the stumps because he'd wandered away from them, thinking it was a four, he isn't walking directly off at that time and does throw it to Mukund but even you have to admit it wasn't done in a 'look he's out of crease lets get him out kind of way'.It was all done as a after thought, when Kumar said he wasn't sure if it had gone for four or not, so they tried they're luck, most of the players had started to go off for tea though.

 

[Burgey]

You said this -

In the end though it's not anything anyone wants to see. If you want Bell out, actually get him out via the normal contest between bat and ball, not via an honest, simple bit of negligence.

Fits into that statement.

No it doesn't. The bowler in the situation of a run out at the non-striker's end is attempting to stop the ball at least, and in some circumstances trying for the flick on. Don't see the comparison tbh mate.

 

[Cevno]

Having just watched it back to be sure, he wasn't within 15 meters of the stumps because he'd wandered away from them, thinking it was a four, he isn't walking directly off at that time and does throw it to Mukund but even you have to admit it wasn't done in a 'look he's out of crease lets get him out kind of way'.It was all done as a after thought, when Kumar said he wasn't sure if it had gone for four or not, so they tried they're luck, most of the players had started to go off for tea though.

Why would he wander that way if he thought it was a four and session over?He has gone to collect the throw clearly. And also why would he throw the ball to Mukund if that was the case. He would throw it to the umpires or keep it with him surely?

His throw to Mukund was casual and he didn't seem inclined to appeal initially, i'll give you that. But his back was to the action as it unfolded and somebody else, i think the fielder close to the umpire at point appealed first.

 

[Top_Cat]

Watching the highlights of Bells knock, have only one word for it; wow.

He is Atherton gone right. Everything about his batting is just outstanding right now; great footwork, weight transfer and attendant timing. Playing a very simple game right now and looks hungry. Big next year coming surely.

 

[Burgey]

But just think about it. If that had stood, we could have well been heading into Ind-Aus 07/8 territory wrt relations between the two teams. I defy anyone to say we want to get anywhere near that.

We'll have that come December anyway

 

[Jacknife]

Why would he wander that way if he thought it was a four and session over?He has gone to collect the throw clearly. And also why would he throw the ball to Mukund if that was the case. He would throw it to the umpires or keep it with him surely?

His throw to Mukund was casual and he didn't seem inclined to appeal initially, i'll give you that. But his back was to the action as it unfolded and somebody else, i think the fielder close to the umpire at point appealed first.

Eh? why does he need to wander that far away from the stumps, to collect a throw, it's a short boundary, he should be behind the stumps. It seems, when kumar was messing around on the boundary trying to collect the ball, which took a age, that's when he walked away from the stumps, why I don't know but it's more likely he thought it was 4 and tea.

 

[Burgey]

I think the real issue is what impact this has on Bell's First Chance Average.

 

[Jacknife]

Watching the highlights of Bells knock, have only one word for it; wow.

He is Atherton gone right. Everything about his batting is just outstanding right now; great footwork, weight transfer and attendant timing. Playing a very simple game right now and looks hungry. Big next year coming surely.

Yes, it was a very classy bit of batting one of his better knocks, considering the match situation and batting out of position, it was lovely attacking play, that was really well backed up by KP, who seems to be really maturing into a better player.
Shame where not talking more about this knock and less about the incident

 

[Cevno]

Eh? why does he need to wander that far away from the stumps, to collect a throw, it's a short boundary, he should be behind the stumps. It seems, when kumar was messing around on the boundary trying to collect the ball, which took a age, that's when he walked away from the stumps, why I don't know but it's more likely he thought it was 4 and tea.

But the pavilion is completely in the other direction, Why the hell would he wander into no man's land there for no reason?

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

What score was Bell on when this debacle struck?