Umpiring Errors

[marc71178]

I'm struggling to work out what the use of the better quality mics is for if they're going to be ignored.

 

[Jacknife]

I've said plenty of times, that I'd rather have Hawk Eye than Hotspot, for all the calls saying Hawk Eye isn't reliable, Hotspot has been shown on a number of occasions it isn't 100% reliable.
At the end of the day though,imo you need as much of the technology as you can and ideally Snicko needs to be some how speeded up, to work along side Hotspot, so when one doesn't catch the edge the other does.

 

[Jacknife]

I'm struggling to work out what the use of the better quality mics is for if they're going to be ignored.

Yes, surely you can use the mic sound like they do with Snicko, to make sure the noise and the timing of the ball passing the bat, match up.

 

[marc71178]

I was more talking about how Bowden apparently heard the noise but still said there wasn't enough evidence to overturn. If he can't overturn that then these mics are surely meaningless?

 

[vic_orthdox]

Have heard some talk that supposedly players from a number of sides are using a very simple substance on the edges of their bat, because it doesn't show up on hot-spot if it is a smll nick. Cools the bat down enough to get away with it.

 

[Jacknife]

I was more talking about how Bowden apparently heard the noise but still said there wasn't enough evidence to overturn. If he can't overturn that then these mics are surely meaningless?

Ah I get you and agree, doesn't make sense really, might has well not have them.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

So what is the current score?
(if there was proper UDRS)

ENG 3-1 IND?

 

[Spark]

England have had three decisions that would have been overturned, yes.

 

[centurymaker]

So what is the current score?
(if there was proper UDRS)

ENG 3-1 IND?

pretty even

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Broad said: "Sarcastically, I had a cheeky feel of his edge the ball went past. But I just felt the edge. There was no Vaseline or anything there so I think it was just HotSpot not showing the very faint edge. It's HotSpot. We found that the really faint edges don't show up."

 

[Daemon]

Lol that Harby one was a shocker. Worst decision of all of them so far, followed closely by Sachin's not-given LBW at Lords.

 

[Spark]

No, Raina's not-out was by FAR the worst. It was the worst decision I've seen in quite some time, in fact.

 

[Daemon]

No, Raina's not-out was by FAR the worst. It was the worst decision I've seen in quite some time, in fact.

Hmm I can't recall that, maybe I didn't see it. When was it?

 

[Spark]

Hmm I can't recall that, maybe I didn't see it. When was it?

Near the end of the 1st Test. It was truly horrible, it was the plumbest LBW you will ever see. Literally pitched on middle and would have hit the middle of middle, and nowhere near the bat.

 

[Top_Cat]

Have heard some talk that supposedly players from a number of sides are using a very simple substance on the edges of their bat, because it doesn't show up on hot-spot if it is a smll nick. Cools the bat down enough to get away with it.

Guessing but I think that if this was actually tested, we'd see it has a bit of mythology about it. I've heard people mention vaseline as a possibility; petroluem jelly (from memory) is a rheopectic pseudoplastic (non-Newtonian fluid) and under sheer stress, it would both thicken and absorb heat so you'd imagine, if anything, it would show up a stronger heat signature. But I reckon, in practice, it would be such a small effect as to make no difference to what are quite insensitive instruments.

These cameras just won't pick up some edges no matter what you do, think it's really that simple. Any engineering types care to comment?

 

[Spark]

Guessing but I think that if this was actually tested, we'd see it has a bit of mythology about it. I've heard people mention vaseline as a possibility; petroluem jelly (from memory) is a rheopectic pseudoplastic (non-Newtonian fluid) and under sheer stress, it would both thicken and absorb heat so you'd imagine, if anything, it would show up a stronger heat signature. But I reckon, in practice, it would be such a small effect as to make no difference to what are quite insensitive instruments.

These cameras just won't pick up some edges no matter what you do, think it's really that simple. Any engineering care to comment?

Think so tbh. Let's not dance the fact that Hotspot is just really quite **** at picking up thin edges.

 

[Top_Cat]

Stands to reason, really. It's one thing to pick up piles of RDX in a warzone, quite another to pick up the finest of incidental contact between a wooden bat and a leather ball. In terms of fine edges, as I've said a few times before, uncooled IR cameras are probably not fit-for-purpose. It's why I was baffled that they were the deal-breaker for the BCCI; reckon they fell for the marketing hype.

Always the way, mention it was used to kill people and it's automatically awesome for all applications. Simple solution; get BAE or some other war profiteer to develop a competitor to Hawkeye, call it LBWTRON 3.0 and, even if it's worse, reckon it'll be more likely to get picked up.

 

[Spark]

Stands to reason, really. It's one thing to pick up piles of RDX in a warzone, quite another to pick up the finest of incidental contact between a wooden bat and a leather ball. In terms of fine edges, as I've said a few times before, uncooled IR cameras are probably not fit-for-purpose. It's why I was baffled that they were the deal-breaker for the BCCI.

Because, frankly, they have no idea.

 

[Cevno]

So what is the current score?
(if there was proper UDRS)

ENG 3-1 IND?

3-2

Swann was absolutely plumb LBW to Harbhajan in the first test first innings and then Harbhajan LBW one here.
Also it wouldn't have been overturned but there was that stupid cook one in the first innings where you are not out if it hits 2.56m out but out if it hits 2.49m out of the crease.

 

[Spark]

3-2

Swann was absolutely plumb LBW to Harbhajan in the first test first innings and then Harbhajan LBW one here.
Also it wouldn't have been overturned but there was that stupid cook one in the first innings where you are not out if it hits 2.56m out bu out if it hits 2.49m out of the crease.

Ah yeah true.

That Cook one was only clipping wasn't it?

It just goes to show though, over time these things even themselves out. The good teams are the ones who make it irrelevant in the context of the match.

 

[Cevno]

I guess you have to turn down every caught behind English appeal and uphold every Indian one.

England v India, 2nd Test: England question Hotspot accuracy | Cricket News | England v India 2011 | ESPN Cricinfo

Anyone remember England's tour of South Africa and England moaning about No Hotspot after Smith was given not out?

Seems they are developing a habit of calling for technology first and moaning when it allegedly screws them over. It seems they want the technology but favorable results too .

They were? News to me. Sounded like they reluctantly agreed to some form of UDRS since they were the only ones holding out and hot spot was universally pushed as the most accurate technology.

During South Africa tour, the ECB head-


“It’s absurd without Hot Spot,” said Clarke on Saturday. “How on earth can you have a caught-behind overturned? Until the technology is applied correctly we are better off with the old system, because at least if the umpire is as deaf as a post and as blind as a bat it’s the same for both sides.”

Blame the BCCI.