Umpiring Errors

[vic_orthdox]

Wasn't a shocker (I thought it looked out live) but HawkEye had it missing and would have been overturned had we been using non-****** UDRS.

Yeah, I could've understood if he gave it, also could have understood if he knocked it back. In a pre-hawkeye era, no-one would have said anything about it.

 

[Cevno]

Awta.

There were around 5 marginal LBW decisions in the first 2 sessions alone which could have gone either way.

 

[GIMH]

I think the simplest way of keeping this thread objective and clean would be only posting in it about the decisions that would have been overturned with UDRS, full UDRS. Easiest way to keep a tally if you are so inclined and should avoid mudslinging (although the match thread did show some interesting interpretations of DRS).

 

[BoyBrumby]

I think the simplest way of keeping this thread objective and clean would be only posting in it about the decisions that would have been overturned with UDRS, full UDRS. Easiest way to keep a tally if you are so inclined and should avoid mudslinging (although the match thread did show some interesting interpretations of DRS).

What about decisions that would've been overturned under the current system if the batsman had referred it? Morgan first innings first test, etc.

/****-stirring prick mode.

 

[GIMH]

I was gonna put that as a disclaimer and changed my mind

 

[Cevno]

Should start a read the batsman's mind thread for that

 

[GIMH]

I think the fact he went and asked the umpire why he'd been given out today was quite suggestive, though, in all seriousness.

 

[Cevno]

Why?
2 different incidents and this was LBW when he knew he had not edged it versus Vice Versa where he would know that he had edged it.
Infact, you could also speculate that asking today showed that he is aware that he can wait and ask.

 

[Cevno]

Btw, what about LBW's which would be not out if it hit 2.53 Metres in front of the wickets, but out if it hit 2.47 Metres in front like the Cook one against Praveen before the one he was given out on etc.. etc..?

 

[GIMH]

What you are saying is of course possible. But to me it suggested that he got back to the dressing room last week and discovered he had been given out caught, and has spent a week since kicking himself.

 

[GIMH]

Btw, what about LBW's which would be not out if it hit 2.53 Metres in front of the wickets, but out if it hit 2.47 Metres in front?

If UDRS wouldn't overturn it, we don't count it as an umpiring error. So there you go.

 

[Cevno]

Should rename this thread/Start a new thread "Decisions that UDRS would overturn" then, instead of "umpiring errors".
Would make it much clearer that way,because there are lot of Sketchy things with the UDRS.

And when the batsman says he is out without motive, let's trust him

 

[Jarquis]

How has Morgan given himself out without notice?
Has there actually been a quote ornament release that states he thought he hit it?
Or are we still going on 'noises from the dressing room'.

 

[GIMH]

If this goes off again, I'm blaming Brumby, FTR

 

[Jacknife]

What you are saying is of course possible. But to me it suggested that he got back to the dressing room last week and discovered he had been given out caught, and has spent a week since kicking himself.

Yes, I thought that as well, while I was watching it. At the end of the day, we don't know what he thought last week, SKY said he thought he hit it and then later that night, on the highlights with Bob Willis they said Morgan thought he'd been given Lbw.

 

[Cevno]

Has there been anything said/hinted wrt to the opposite?
Or are we still going based on Mind reading skills and speculation?
And speculation whether it would have been overturned or not in anycase?

Sky would have confirmed from Morgan/Dressing room and then mentioned it. They are the same ownership(controlling), but they are no NOTW
If they were lying England team would have denied it.

 

[Cevno]

Yes, I thought that as well, while I was watching it. At the end of the day, we don't know what he thought last week, SKY said he thought he hit it and then later that night, on the highlights with Bob Willis they said Morgan thought he'd been given Lbw.

Flower has been criticising the No UDRS all week. If indeed that had been the case he would have left no stone unturned to use this as a example of a batsman being done in by the confusion etc... etc.....
It was clearly not LBW either and was missing by a distance.

Hell even in some bizzare hypothetical scenario he got done in by thinking he was LBW, it was his fault for not using the review as it would be the captain's fault if he doesn't use one when a batsman's edged it and not been given out.

 

[Jacknife]

Flower has been criticising the No UDRS all week. If indeed that had been the case he would have left no stone unturned to use this as a example of a batsman being done in by the confusion etc... etc.....
It was clearly not LBW either and was missing by a distance.

Hell even in some bizzare hypothetical scenario he got done in by thinking he was LBW, it was his fault for not using the review as it would be the captain's fault if he doesn't use one when a batsman's edged it and not been given out.

There's no review for Lbw, that's the point isn't it.

 

[GIMH]

No 0evno, a stretch too far there. Flower has been criticising the (lack of proper) DRS. But he's not going to come out referencing every little thing. It didn't have any effect on the match. Neither did the day five howlers of course, but they were unforgiveable.

Honestly at this point I don't care, I'll say that Morgan middled it if it will shut you up, but you don't have make some daft assumptions about people and things.

 

[Cevno]

There's no review for Lbw, that's the point isn't it.

So his fault for not knowing when he Can review it or not. England team management should have told it's players of what the conditions are, instead of moaning what they wanted it to be.
This is all mega speculation in a hypothetical world in anycase.