Umpiring Errors

[Cevno]

I really don't understand that what you've put in bold, how many times in test cricket, hell in all cricket, does a batsman think he hasn't got a edge on it, only later to show he got one, that's happened literally thousands of times. When batsmen hit their pads playing a shot, instead of the ball, can also leave the batsman, thinking he's made contact with ball.
Just because the batsman at the precise moment, he plays a shot, thinks he's got bat on it, or not, doesn't make it fact, a lot of the time he's wrong.

Batsman thinking he hasn't got a edge when he has is different and to a quite extent to the opposite as he has a big motive and can happen in certain circumstances as has happened before and i've already explained.

But imagining a edge when it can only harm you before the umpire even raises a finger and walking off is something really bizzare.
You are right,the Batsman can't tell for sure when the bats made a contact with the pad/ground and the ball at the same time, but that does not mean he walks off for no reason all of a sudden before the umpire has even made a decision and in this case the alleged impact with the ball was some frames after he had brushed his pad.

What is more likely to happen or has happened before more times? Tv replays giving illusions of something wrong(mind you still there was no clear evidence) or the batsman imagining a edge with bat in his hand and walking off with no motive at all?

 

[NasserFan207]

We could simplify things by adding the play and miss to the list of legal dismissals. Soft ****s

 

[Jacknife]

Batsman thinking he hasn't got a edge when he has is different and to a quite extent to the opposite as he has a big motive and can happen in certain circumstances as has happened before and i've already explained.

But imagining a edge when it can only harm you before the umpire even raises a finger and walking off is something really bizzare.
You are right,the Batsman can't tell for sure when the bats made a contact with the pad/ground and the ball at the same time, but that does not mean he walks off for no reason all of a sudden before the umpire has even made a decision and in this case the alleged impact with the ball was some frames after he had brushed his pad.

What is more likely to happen or has happened before more times? Tv replays giving illusions of something wrong(mind you still there was no clear evidence) or the batsman imagining a edge with bat in his hand and walking off with no motive at all?

Morgan didn't walk before the decision though, he walked when the finger went up. On Sky, Gower made a point of saying, that he waited for the umpire to raise his finger because whoever was commentating with him at the time, had insinuated he'd walked before.
It's not just the TV replays were talking about, it's using all the technology, to decide what has happened, in this case it's Snicko and Hot Spot, as well as the ordinary TV replays. Sometimes the TV replays, give illusions of something that's not right but imo that's mostly on catches taken low. More often than not, on edges and Lbw's, the replays and technology when used together, give the correct answer.
Anyhow, it's neither hear or there, in the scheme of things and like I said earlier even if Morgan called for the review, I reckon the call would have stood.

 

[Spark]

The Raina decision... wow. Reminded me of the LBWs that weren't given in the 09 Ashes, it was so out. Why have LBW at all if you won't give those?

 

[Top_Cat]

Shocker. Shows the difference between top sides and the rest, though; the good sides make poor decisions against them an irrelevant footnote to the game whether they win or not. England had quite a few go against them this game and still won by 200 runs.

 

[Spark]

Yeah indeed. For all the talk of KP's catch that may not have been and Dhoni's "drops", England actually dropped more catchable chances and had more genuinely bad umpiring calls go against them.

 

[Furball]

The Raina decision... wow. Reminded me of the LBWs that weren't given in the 09 Ashes, it was so out. Why have LBW at all if you won't give those?

Was watching it again last night, was so, so, so bad.

The best part was the Bowden-Broad exchange. Broad asks what was wrong with the lbw, Bowden replies (you can't see what he's saying as he has his back to the camera), Broad's listening to the explanation then his face changes to one of complete surprise and you see him mouthing the word "bat?" whilst looking round to check if anyone else heard it. Obviously thought he'd misheard Bowden.

For all that Broad's been criticised in the past for acting like a petulant child at times, I think he deserves credit for how he reacted to the Raina non-lbw, particularly as up until that point he'd had Tendulkar, Laxman and Harbhajan all dropped off his bowling and Tendulkar and Raina turned down for lbws. It's amazing to think that a guy who took 7/fa in the match has figures that don't do him justice - he should have had 12-for and had his name up on the board twice.

 

[Spark]

Was an incredible match for him. Had there been more time and he had the rub of the green, it was conceivable that he would have ended up with two 5-fors and a hundred.

 

[marc71178]

Was watching it again last night, was so, so, so bad.

The best part was the Bowden-Broad exchange. Broad asks what was wrong with the lbw, Bowden replies (you can't see what he's saying as he has his back to the camera), Broad's listening to the explanation then his face changes to one of complete surprise and you see him mouthing the word "bat?" whilst looking round to check if anyone else heard it. Obviously thought he'd misheard Bowden.

To be fair though, it may have hit the back of Raina's bat, the evidence was inconclusive.

 

[Daemon]

Yeah indeed. For all the talk of KP's catch that may not have been and Dhoni's "drops", England actually dropped more catchable chances and had more genuinely bad umpiring calls go against them.

Have to agree. India didn't make much of their chances at all.

 

[GIMH]

Was watching it again last night, was so, so, so bad.

The best part was the Bowden-Broad exchange. Broad asks what was wrong with the lbw, Bowden replies (you can't see what he's saying as he has his back to the camera), Broad's listening to the explanation then his face changes to one of complete surprise and you see him mouthing the word "bat?" whilst looking round to check if anyone else heard it. Obviously thought he'd misheard Bowden.

For all that Broad's been criticised in the past for acting like a petulant child at times, I think he deserves credit for how he reacted to the Raina non-lbw, particularly as up until that point he'd had Tendulkar, Laxman and Harbhajan all dropped off his bowling and Tendulkar and Raina turned down for lbws. It's amazing to think that a guy who took 7/fa in the match has figures that don't do him justice - he should have had 12-for and had his name up on the board twice.

I'll say it again - was a Flintoffesque performance

Hopefully he has a Flintoffesque series. Could see 4-0 if he performs like that every match.

 

[Cevno]

Was an incredible match for him. Had there been more time and he had the rub of the green, it was conceivable that he would have ended up with two 5-fors and a hundred.

Bowden didn't give 2 LBW's Wrongly to England(Raina And Tendulkar) ,and 1 to India (Swann).

As for catches the one Geoffrey Boycott was going on about that should have been given by the third umpire with regards to Dravid and KP ON 49, was one among 4/5 drops/going between slips and keeper for India(though i guess you could say that was a tough chance).

Praveen had two go between slips and keeper in the second innings,one of which was clearly Dhoni's fault and in the first innings Dravid dropped Trott twice(one of Harbhajan and one of ZAK).
I imagine England would have had about the same.

 

[John Blaze]

Bowden didn't give 2 LBW's Wrongly to England(Raina And Tendulkar) ,and 1 to India (Swann).

As for catches the one Geoffrey Boycott was going on about that should have been given by the third umpire with regards to Dravid and KP ON 49, was one among 4/5 drops/going between slips and keeper for India(though i guess you could say that was a tough chance).

Praveen had two go between slips and keeper in the second innings,one of which was clearly Dhoni's fault and in the first innings Dravid dropped Trott twice(one of Harbhajan and one of ZAK).
I imagine England would have had about the same.

India clearly ended up on the better side of Bowden's lbw madness. That's not even debatable. And England's slip chances were easier than ours.

 

[Cevno]

India clearly ended up on the better side of Bowden's lbw madness. That's not even debatable. And England's slip chances were easier than ours.

Yep.India ended up at the better end of the LBW decisions no doubt with regards to the batsman they went too. Though that was still 2 to 1 overall.

But don't think they had more easier slip chances than ours where the ball went thrice in between without any one making a clear attempt. Those were pretty clear chances.

 

[Jarquis]

Yeah but that's partly because Dhoni decided to basically not have a first slip for a period of time but just leave everything that went in that vicinity anyway.

 

[Cevno]

Yeah but that's partly because Dhoni decided to basically not have a first slip for a period of time but just leave everything that went in that vicinity anyway.

One of three was when he decided to move the first slip wider and then decided not to dive for some reason.

The other 2 (one of trott of ZAK in the first innings and one of Broad of PK in the second) both Dravid and Dhoni ended up confusing each other and neither went for it. The first i felt was Dravid's catch.

Then there was one of Trott in the first innings of the first Harbhajan ball for which Dravid wasn't down enough and ready for.

 

[Top_Cat]

The other 2 (one of trott of ZAK in the first innings and one of Broad of PK in the second) both Dravid and Dhoni ended up confusing each other and neither went for it. The first i felt was Dravid's catch.

Hmmmm, would definitely call it Dhoni's catch myself. Went to his right-hand and he's in front of first slip too.

Dhoni had a shocker of a match in general.

 

[smash84]

yeah thought it was Dhoni'd catch IMO

 

[GotSpin]

Jesus, Billy 'Hey look at me' Bowden was atrocious in the 4th innings and that decision which was 'just' correct now comes across as a fluke. Tendulkar and Raina were dead plumb. It's fortunate that those incorrect decisions didn't influence the course of the match because they were horrendous.

 

[GotSpin]

What are you referring too? Was making a general point here that was that you can't have the cake and eat it too.

And as for the other incidents, First the point being made was it was similar to last time and hence the comments(though there was one major difference) and then after some time it became different to suit the needs of the argument.

Completely different reactions on 2 different forums i am posting on. In any case right now there is no use arguing anything objectively here right now as it then resorts to nonsense pretty soon with Cheerleaders around. Might as follow VCS and Shri if it continues...