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*Official* First Test at Lord's

silentstriker

silentstriker

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benchmark00 said:
You must be reading the same dictionary as Bun, because that's not what dominant means.

A dominant side is one which simply dominates their opponent. Because a side is dominant it doesn't neccessarily have anything to do with the overall quality of the outfit, it just states that they are better than their particular opponent.

The fact that the WI/Australia won a higher percentage of games doesn't neccessarily mean they are a better quality team than India/England now, it could just mean that the opponents they faced were weaker.

I was passing comment on the fact that the standard of cricket we've seen in the last few years is very poor from the top teams, relatively speaking
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I realize what dominant means. I am simply saying you can't become a dominant team without also playing really quality cricket unless everyone's standard is terrible - I don't know of a single time in Test cricket history where a team has been dominant over any significant period but did not play quality cricket....maybe you can tell me one.

In any case, I'm not disputing that the quality of cricket played by the best team right now is quite obviously lower than when Australia were in their pomp, and WI before them.
 
Son Of Coco

Son Of Coco

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NUFAN said:
The benefits of hindsight hey. Of course if England had of gotten a wicket or two at the end of day 2 the people in your corner wouldn't be voicing this opinion.

And how can you say your last sentence with such certainty? England could quite conceivably not have gotten India out as quickly if India started the innings on day 3 and if England batted with more freedom this innings they could easily have lost their wickets quicker.

Too many ifs and buts.
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No way! Everything mentioned as a possibility definitely would have happened if England batted on in the first innings. It's unquestionable!
 
pup11

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I think England missed a trick by totally batting India out of this game, they should have dangled the carrot and given India a target that they might have been tempted to chase down.

The Lord's wicket is hardly looking anything like a day 5 pitch and if there are no clouds then the conditions would be pretty good for batting and in that sort of a scenario the Indian batting line-up 'should' have little trouble playing out the final day for a draw.
 
centurymaker

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pup11 said:
I think England missed a trick by totally batting India out of this game, they should have dangled the carrot and given India a target that they might have been tempted to chase down.

The Lord's wicket is hardly looking anything like a day 5 pitch and if there are no clouds then the conditions would be pretty good for batting and in that sort of a scenario the Indian batting line-up 'should' have little trouble playing out the final day for a draw.
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The problem is that tendulkar can't bat for half of the day and that gambhir is injured...
 
Spark

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Will be very interested in how Anderson goes today. If he bowls somewhere close to reasonable by his standards (and not poo by his standards as has been the case for much of the Test) then with Broad bowling some of the better spells of fast bowling you'll see and Tremlett and Swann both doing their bit, very hard to see England not running away with this.
 
K

keeper

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Spark said:
Will be very interested in how Anderson goes today.
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Surprised there hasn't been more comment on this as a critical factor today. It's not just the wicket taking, it's the amount of balls that haven't had to be played. If he turns it round and applies pressure it changes everything.

Each day so far has seen a prediction of dominant batting. Wonder if it will finally come true.
 
Burgey

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Sanz said:
Yeah, I would say anything other than their normal game is going to hurt India. Too Defensive or Going for a win means an easy England win.

The news about Gambhir is positive, X-rays have been negative and he is likely to bat.
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He may do a Fat Gra from Sydney and come out to save it late today.

Be a fair effort if he does.
 
Spark

Spark

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keeper said:
Surprised there hasn't been more comment on this as a critical factor today. It's not just the wicket taking, it's the amount of balls that haven't had to be played. If he turns it round and applies pressure it changes everything.

Each day so far has seen a prediction of dominant batting. Wonder if it will finally come true.
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That's what's made Broad so impressive. It's not necessarily his ER or even his wickets, it's that during his best spells the batsman has been forced to play at almost every ball. Couple with pace and movement both in the air and off the seam and it's a tough ask. Anderson for the most part hasn't got the length that badly wrong - maybe erring short a bit - but he's been far too wide.

I would say Day 2 was pretty dominant batting. Even yesterday, that mad little spell of 10 overs or so aside.
 
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silentstriker

silentstriker

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benchmark00 said:
I was passing comment on the fact that the standard of cricket we've seen in the last few years is very poor from the top teams, relatively speaking
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Speaking more to that - I also agree with you that considering the fielding issues India has, I don't think the 'standard' will be particularly high for a while unfortunately. England are probably the most complete team in terms of having the most boxes checked, and they field well too, so maybe if they get better, we can see some high standard of play in all aspects of the game from them. They need another bowler to be as consistent as Anderson and a couple more of their batsmen to be in form at once, and you could see a very high standard from them very consistently I think.
 
silentstriker

silentstriker

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benchmark00 said:
Will be over by tea imo.
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TBH, I agree with you. Anderson won't be ineffective twice in a row, and Swann will get more purchase. Plus, I don't really have that much faith right now in our batting line up away from home. Hope I'm wrong of course, but I see India being bowled out in the next 50-60 overs.
 
biased indian

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centurymaker said:
The problem is that tendulkar can't bat for half of the day and that gambhir is injured...
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he has to wait for 4 hour and around 20-30 minutes to bat ..we have already batted a over 2 hours so he should be bale to bat some time after lunch if we don't loose too many wickets
 
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