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Australia - the aftermath of the Ashes
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howardj
International Coach
Chant is: why are we waiting?
Why is this review into AUstralian cricket taking so long?
It should have been conducted in the immediate aftermath of the Ashes debacle.
Only then, with the memory of the lack of fight, resolve, technical skill, cameraderie, fresh in the minds of those presiding over the review, would the harsh but necessary recommendations emerge.
I can confirm that it took me all of four months to conduct my much acclaimed review.
Why is this review into AUstralian cricket taking so long?
It should have been conducted in the immediate aftermath of the Ashes debacle.
Only then, with the memory of the lack of fight, resolve, technical skill, cameraderie, fresh in the minds of those presiding over the review, would the harsh but necessary recommendations emerge.
I can confirm that it took me all of four months to conduct my much acclaimed review.
SamSawnoff
U19 Vice-Captain
I can't see that it is going to do anything, unless it restructures CA..
As for the actual test team and it's performance, what can it affect now? All the coaching positions now seem to be sorted, the evil Kat's gone, the appalling Young's gone, Cooley has started his job at the Academy, everything else is pretty much 'as you were'.
I guess we can hold on to the idea of one of the selectors getting the arse, but they've changed selectors in the past couple of years anyway so it's not like that has been stagnant.
flibbertyjibber
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You get the feeling they want people to forget about it and sweep it all under the carpet.
The bit that got me in the article was Johnson saying about being shown how to hold the ball better. Surely a guy with 200 test wickets should know the basics by now?
The bit that got me in the article was Johnson saying about being shown how to hold the ball better. Surely a guy with 200 test wickets should know the basics by now?
smash84
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but I guess you do move away from the basics a bit and you don't even know it unless someone points it out
Spikey
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I for one feel dumping that filthy foreigner and replacing him with a local boy made good IS EXACTLY WHAT AUSTRALIAN CRICKET NEEDS MORE OF. I'M SICK OF THESE FOREIGNERS COMING HERE and taking jobs with the Australian cricket team that local boys could do 100 TIMES BETTER. CAN I GET AMEN
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vic_orthdox
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When the only sourced opinion in the article is Dean Jones, I'm not sure of the worth of it.
May as well get Messr Harvey involved.
May as well get Messr Harvey involved.
benchmark00
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I won't pay any attention until Jeff Thomson gets involved itbt.
SamSawnoff
U19 Vice-Captain
This is Johnson, I'm not sure he'd know how to find the bathroom in his own home without Jess pointing it out.
Spikey
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Australian news: Don Argus review to report at next board meeting | Australia Cricket News | ESPN Cricinfo
...so it's all done but we're just gonna chill for another month? and then chill for another month after that?
...so it's all done but we're just gonna chill for another month? and then chill for another month after that?
SamSawnoff
U19 Vice-Captain
Batting line-up will be exactly the same as the team that was so dismal in Melbourne. Smith might be in danger, but that's doubtful.
I don't think the review has anything to do with the selection of the team. I can't see for all the fuss and expectation about it, that it will affect anything to do with the actual team or coaches by this stage.
pup11
International Coach
Like I said before what is this fuss all about..?! As a team we have been pathetic over the last year or so and the reasons for that are pretty bleeding obvious, the review committee is also most probably only gonna bring to notice the same things that the fans or the media have been saying for ages now.
From what I understand the review committee can only make suggestions about different matters regarding Australian cricket but implementation of these suggestions is still in the hands of the people who are responsible for Australian cricket's current predicament, so all in all as an Australian supporter I find this whole situation both sad and funny at the same time.
vic_orthdox
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One fallacy I'd like to bring up, the idea that the pitches in Shield cricket have held back our players. It seems to have been the one thing that Sutherland and others came out with in the aftermath of the Ashes, that the pitches in Shield cricket have been to bowler friendly. It was the first time in a fair while that you could say that this season, with an unusually wet season. Yet if we do want to be the best in the world, surely we have to expose our batsmen to these conditions, not all the time, but some sort of exposure. Do we all forget the pitches that Queensland put out in Shield cricket during their reign at the top, which coincided with Australia's?
And the only time you could state that it affected our players is the round of Shield games that they played before the Ashes, one or two games, and maybe on Phil Hughes' form beforehand. But it's absolute rubbish to be pointing at that as a major issue in Australian cricket.
And the only time you could state that it affected our players is the round of Shield games that they played before the Ashes, one or two games, and maybe on Phil Hughes' form beforehand. But it's absolute rubbish to be pointing at that as a major issue in Australian cricket.
robelinda
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I recall the first time I saw a televised shield match on tv, day one Gabba, some tim win the 90's. GREEN GREEN GREEN, QLD v Tassie. Couldn't believe such innocuous dibble doubly Tassie bowlers were so unplayable, and couldn't believe how awesome Hayden looked with his massive wide bat that hit everything in the middle. When QLD bowled it was frightening, at the time the bowling lineup was something like Rackemann, Tazelaar, Kasper, and either Bichel or Jackson. Routed Tassie good and proper. GREAT CRICKET!
Top_Cat
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Agree with the above (especially in using it as an excuse) but reckon there may be some more nuance to it too. For example, reckon that the advantages gained from exposing players to those sorts of conditions are negated if it doesn't reflect Test pitches. If you're constantly facing bowlers getting big movement, I reckon you breed more cautious players who probably can't take a game by the scruff when the going's good (England in the 90's, for example, when pitches were generally pretty awful there). There's a balance; because there are more decks with juice around, it's a good thing that blokes are being exposed to them in Shield but you don't want guys who only know how to play for difficult conditions (which don't pop up that often in Tests). So, ideally, they wouldn't pop up too often.
That said, don't think pitches can ultimately be blamed, though. A bigger factor is that we seem to have a generation of blokes who are taught to hold up an end for a session under the assumption that, next session, the pitch will flatten out and you can cash in. Problem is rather than looking to score in bowler-friendly conditions, they look for the conditions to change so they can score. If the conditions then don't get better, so many guys running around in Shield are ****ed.
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