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Harper lets Dhoni have it.

zaremba

zaremba

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silentstriker said:
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Yeah I agree. It's ok for the Indian captain to have a pop at an Australian umpire because 23 years ago an English captain had a go at a Pakistani umpire

This thread has now officially reached the bottom of the miserable barrel to which it was doomed from the outset
 
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zaremba

zaremba

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8ankitj said:
We were all watching the match live. Did anyone feel from looks of it, that something to the effect of intimidating was being done by Dhoni? I did not feel so, neither do I remember anyone on CW posting on the official series thread at that time that they noticed something untoward. Just asking because we are talking about evidence and probabilities.
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Slightly ironic that you should be talking about "evidence" and yet

1. You suggest the conversation might not have happened the way Harper alleges because of "the looks of" what we did or didn't happen to see (without the benefit of sound) on the TV;

2. One party to the exchange - who we may presume did, unlike us, actually hear what was said - has given his account of what took place;

3. The other party to the exchange hasn't denied it.

If we're talking about "evidence", then, so far it all points one way. Now that might change. But this assumption that umpires are liars (and, as some would have it, biased against sub-continental teams) is both corrosive, unfair and downright tedious.

My view, fwiw, is that it may well have happened; that Dhoni can suck up a bit of criticism for it; that it's not a hanging offence by any means; and a big fat lol to those who have been telling themselves that Ricky Ponting gets away without equivalent criticism (on CW or elsewhere) when he does similar things.
 
Sanz

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zaremba said:
You completely misunderstand me. I am not comparing Dhoni with Gatting. I thought that bringing up the comparison was pathetic. Hence my (sarcastic) response.

As for "my criticism of Dhoni" - What criticism is that? I've said he may well have done what Harper said he did, but I've also made it clear I don't regard it as a big deal.
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I am sorry, I recognized my mistake and deleted the post. But I guess it was too late.
 
Son Of Coco

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Burgey said:
Has anyone seen the footage from that series where Chris Broad is given out stumped and his foot never moves from being about six inches behind the popping crease?

Was the stuff of genius.
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I couldn't find that one, but I just had another look at Gatting's LBW where the umpires finger is up before the players get a chance to throw their arms up and appeal. :laugh:
 
Cevno

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Just saw that one too:laugh:
Was hitting him way outside off and turning away too.

How the hell did teams manage to win away in those days? Pakistan had similar problems in England with a certain David Constant and kept complaining about it, while gavaskar lost his cool famously in Australia due to dodgy umpiring.
 
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Son Of Coco

Son Of Coco

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Cevno said:
Just saw that one too:laugh:
Was hitting him way outside off and turning away too.

How the hell did teams manage to win away in those days? Pakistan had similar problems in England with a certain David Constant and kept complaining about it, while gavaskar lost his cool famously in Australia due to dodgy umpiring.
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To be fair, the Gavaskar LBW wasn't that clear cut. Looked like it could've been bat and pad at the same time. Gavaskar carried on like he'd edged it onto his pads with his bat a foot away from his body. Don't see how it would've been that easy for the umpire (or Gavaskar) to know which happened first. Mind you, Gavaskar loses his cool when his tea isn't served between 59.43 degrees celsius and 59.46 degrees celsius.

It's a bit similar to bump balls where the bat hits the ground but the ball bounces in front of the bat and clips the edge on the way up. Very difficult for the batsman to know that he hasn't squeezed the ball into the ground.

I thought the LBW decision that went against Tendulkar (when facing Gillespie) was much worse. Was really high (the ball that is, not the umpire).
 
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Cevno

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Son Of Coco said:
To be fair, the Gavaskar LBW wasn't that clear cut. Looked like it could've been bat and pad at the same time. Gavaskar carried on like he'd edged it onto his pads with his bat a foot away from his body. Don't see how it would've been that easy for the umpire (or Gavaskar) to know which happened first.

It's a bit similar to bump balls where the bat hits the ground but the ball bounces in front of the bat and clips the edge on the way up. Very difficult for the batsman to know that he hasn't squeezed the ball into the ground.

I thought the LBW decision that went against Tendulkar (when facing Gillespie) was much worse. Was really high (the ball that is, not the umpire).
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Yeah, that decision even though he may edged it, wasn't that bad and it had kept low.
But the allegation was that the umpires had been favoring the home side all series and he got frustrated in the end.Rex Whitehead was the umpire in question who had been dodgy all series.
Similar to the problems Imran Khan alleged there earlier too and later Javed Miandad reading about it.

Favoring the home side happened in almost every country in every tour those days(happened in India,Australia,England too) by the umpires and allegations and counter allegations were made. Wasn't it Pakistan though that introduced neutral umpires for the first time after Imran advocated it?

Btw, a bit of a ironical and interesting trivia: home teams have fared better since the introduction of a neutral umpire, with a win-loss ratio of 1.57:1 compared to 1.43:1 before.
 
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Nate

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This thread is the pits. Why have I been reading about Ricky Ponting half the time?!
 
Son Of Coco

Son Of Coco

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Cevno said:
Yeah, that decision even though he may edged it wasn't that bad and it had kept low.
But the allegation was that the umpires had been favoring the home side all series and he got frustrated in the end.Rex Whitehead was the umpire in question who had been dodgy all series.
Similar to the problems Imran Khan alleged there earlier too and later Javed Miandad reading about it.
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Fair enough, it does seem Whitehead was terrible during that series. Might have had something to do with him not umpiring too many tests in the end.

In many cases where this happens the decision that causes the biggest blow-up isn't the worst one the umpire has made, but merely a result of the culmination of poor decisions throughout the series. Once players get the idea that the umpire is performing poorly it doesn't take much for them to get the ****s in a major way.
 
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Cevno

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It was probably missing, but the predictive Hawkeye exaggerated the turn and bounce too much there.
No way was that bouncing that much ,Over 2 stumps length almost. And it hadn't even hit the rough.to turn to almost 60% degrees as it showed.
 
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robelinda

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Borges

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Nnanden said:
This thread is the pits.
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Yes. Because the Cricket Web posters who wade into threads of this kind with gusto are the pits. And, somewhat unsurprisingly, they are the ones who do not have much else to do with their lives - as a brief perusal of the post count would reveal.
 
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