Harper lets Dhoni have it.

[Son Of Coco]

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[MW1304]

This really is the worst thread. The amount of baiting and hypocrisy is awful.

Although it was funny seeing someone complain about there being "Too much racisim, too much hate", and then proceed to call all Australians and Englishmen hypocrites.

 

[silentstriker]

In Gatting's defence though, those blokes really were ****ing hopeless.

Could say the same thing about certain umpires today.

 

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He's just a rittre ronery.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Could say the same thing about certain umpires today.

Bull****. I know you're being part-troll here, but **** me the umpiring of the 80s was atrocious (with a few notable, but not infallable exceptions). Neutral umpires for tests was the best move ever made.

 

[silentstriker]

Haha yes, neutral umpires = win.

 

[GIMH]

If you are generating eighty percent revenue and agreeing for ten percent power, I'd call you a fool.

What BCCI's doing with this power is same what the tccb and acb used to in their prime days, which is dictate terms.

They have bungled up at times, nobody's denying that. But when it comes to running the affairs overall, they have done a good job imho.

 

[BoyBrumby]

And BTW, why are we taking it for granted what Harper says is true? Is it because Dhoni is the Indian cricket team's captain?

Two reasons seem to suggest themselves as lending weight to the veracity of Harper's comments:

1) The lack of a denial from Dhoni;

2) The defamation laws.

As Dhoni's held in such regard that some posters seem to struggle to imagine he'd ever question an umpire's decision, suggestions to the contrary, if untrue, quite possibly traduce him.

"Sir! Sir! They're doing it too, sir! They started it, sir!"

 

[GIMH]

"Sir! Sir! They're doing it too, sir! They started it, sir!"

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[ankitj]

Bull****. I know you're being part-troll here, but **** me the umpiring of the 80s was atrocious (with a few notable, but not infallable exceptions). Neutral umpires for tests was the best move ever made.

Yes, so correspondingly the kind of Gatting incidents don't happen anymore.

 

[honestbharani]

Two reasons seem to suggest themselves as lending weight to the veracity of Harper's comments:

1) The lack of a denial from Dhoni;

2) The defamation laws.

As Dhoni's held in such regard that some posters seem to struggle to imagine he'd ever question an umpire's decision, suggestions to the contrary, if untrue, quite possibly traduce him.



"Sir! Sir! They're doing it too, sir! They started it, sir!"

1. He could well be just too busy or not wanting to comment at this moment, with a big series about to start.. As I said, it is better to wait a while before he either accepts/denies it.


2. Many people simply do not want to drag themselves through the court proceedings.


And regarding the whole "he did, we did" thing, as I said, lets first wait and see. If he did do what is being said, then it is definitely over the line. But one man's word ain't the truth. (unless his name is Sachin, of course.. )

 

[BoyBrumby]

1. He could well be just too busy or not wanting to comment at this moment, with a big series about to start.. As I said, it is better to wait a while before he either accepts/denies it.


2. Many people simply do not want to drag themselves through the court proceedings.


And regarding the whole "he did, we did" thing, as I said, lets first wait and see. If he did do what is being said, then it is definitely over the line. But one man's word ain't the truth. (unless his name is Sachin, of course.. )

No, but the balance of probabilities based on the evidence set before the public all points to Dhoni actually having said it.

I don't get why so many Indian fans are at such pains to suggest otherwise. He's not the first captain to say something critical and he won't be the last.

 

[marc71178]

I have it on good authority that Sachin didn't hear Dhoni say anything to Harper.

 

[Cevno]

No, but the balance of probabilities based on the evidence set before the public all points to Dhoni actually having said it.

Depends if Harper reported the incident to the match referee and the ICC or not .He could have mentioned it in his report too. Let's see if he has evidence to back this up.

I would agree Though, as you said probability would suggest he would have said something along those lines.
But having said that the context in which it was said and how much Harper is exxagerating it is very important too ,in terms of more serious allegations than just the comments he is making.

I don't get why so many Indian fans are at such pains to suggest otherwise. He's not the first captain to say something critical and he won't be the last.

I think this is down to what implications people draw from a Indian captain having said such a thing and how much blown out of proportion they are.

For example ,If Ricky Ponting goes and points fingers at Umpires like Dar and Benson and calls them rubbish angrily on the field ,it is just normal Australian captain behaviour and just a bit out of line etc even though Benson quits a series...

Or say if Giles Clarke ,as the ECB chairman implies in his comments during the South Africa series that Harper is Deaf and Dumb no less ,while the England team and staff in unison are coming out against him so much so that Harper comments openly that he is being unfairly targetted, it is nothing but usual moaning against a botched up decision (though they agreed to the conditions of the technology).

But if a Indian captain just says that he would have gotten to the hotel earlier ,or what it is alleged here then it is a case of Institutionalized bullying with Dhoni and BCCI out to get everyone ,wanting to be treated differently etc... etc....
Even though Harper's motivation in this case may be strictly commercial and highly suspect in this case ,with his credibility in question too with some of the offending comments he has made too.
At the same time, All hell would brake loose if tomorrow the BCCI president comes out and implies any umpire is deaf and dumb,if you are getting my point more so than if any other board does so because people now seem to have this inferiority complex or a phobia.

 

[Cevno]

I have it on good authority that Sachin didn't hear Dhoni say anything to Harper.

Why you work at Wimbledon or know someone working there?

 

[Rush]

Why you work at Wimbledon or know someone working there?

I'm pretty sure Marc's Roger Federer

 

[Cevno]

While there's no doubt that much of the whining started after (and because) the two countries lost their veto power and could no longer run cricket as their own personal fiefdom - that really doesn't excuse the BCCI's track record either. "Good" should not be a worse anywhere near it.

Would somewhat agree with this. Even though more is made of their behaviour than there is, specially by foreign media /boards/staff people etc... because they no longer have the veto power they did previously and full control and they do not like this.
It is more balanced than it is made out to be right now because how tilted it was before one way.

Cause when's Bangladesh coming over to tour by the way? They pushed for their inclusion to get another vote but remain the only country to never have invited them over for a series. It'll be close to two decades by the end of the next FTP and it won't have happened. That's pretty deplorable. Just one example.

Bangladesh haven't toured Australia either since 2003 and have 2/3 test tours there cancelled due to commercial reasons since then and all the big boards have similar FTP's.

Besides this example is incorrect, because it is not the BCCI which has a problem with Bangladesh touring India , but actually Bangladesh board have wanted India to tour there in exchange of tours here so they can make more money.
Hence ,why India has toured Bangladesh more times than any country for both Tests and ODI's to help them out financially and also keep their vote etc...

As for 10% of the power, no one is telling them how to run cricket within India but people can be rightly upset when they feel the global game is affected by certain nations. Though many times it's just a convenient bogey man because on matters of finance (eg related to tv rights - for example for test championship) it's the ECB and BCCI and sometimes CA that form a bloc to keep everyone else out. People like to make it about colonialism or anti colonialism or subcontinent vs not but if you really read the books and accounts of people in those meetings it's really the money vs non money blocs on almost all important decisions.

Regardless, officially the BCCI have only one vote. If they play politics and "buy off" other votes, it's as much the fault of the other boards too. If you bribe someone, you're guilty for giving it but the other guy is just as guilty for accepting it.

It is not just cricket though where the powerful wield more power etc.. but in every damn sport.
In Field Hockey the rules were blatantly changed when India and Pakistan were on top and the game shifted to astro turf and then the offside rule removed because the western countries and Australia could do so and generated the most revenue.This resulted in the fall of the traditional dominant teams.

Meanwhile the likes of Softball, Handball, Baseball, Judo etc... have been Olympic sports because there is a commercial market for them in countries which give most revenue and they want these sports and others in. Who would care if India wanted Cricket or Kabaddi in? Hell they were even dropping wrestling from the commonwealth games.
And the list is on and on in every sport and sporting body......
So it a bit naive to expect any sport not to listen to the financial powerhouse, even though Cricket is a lot more even than most sports in terms of non financial power distribution.

Now coming to the bargaining tactics in the ICC ,hell every board engages in the same and wants to get want they want through.The CA and NZC wanted a shorter world cup next time with less minnows so they were willing to concede last time to delay the UDRS decision.

While this time even the PCB and BCB agreed to support the minnows inclusion into the world cup, in exchange of some of their support to block the rule change for presidency which they did succesfully delay against the might of the CA, ECB and BCCI together due to getting South Africa on board.
So it is a bit naive to assume the BCCI will sit there and roll over when every other board engages in give and take and diplomacy. And BCCI does not get it's way on everything too, as is made out sometimes. Neither do the CA, ECB, BCCI together.

Every board is engaging in give and take not only in the ICC but in every sporting organisation,so why shouldn't the BCCI to get the best for itself when it has more to give in exchange to get it? Would be stupid if they didn't.

 

[Furball]

Depends if Harper reported the incident to the match referee and the ICC or not .He could have mentioned it in his report too. Let's see if he has evidence to back this up.

I would agree Though, as you said probability would suggest he would have said something along those lines.
But having said that the context in which it was said and how much Harper is exxagerating it is very important too ,in terms of more serious allegations than just the comments he is making.



I think this is down to what implications people draw from a Indian captain having said such a thing and how much blown out of proportion they are.

For example ,If Ricky Ponting goes and points fingers at Umpires like Dar and Benson and calls them rubbish angrily on the field ,it is just normal Australian captain behaviour and just a bit out of line etc even though Benson quits a series...

Or say if Giles Clarke ,as the ECB chairman implies in his comments during the South Africa series that Harper is Deaf and Dumb no less ,while the England team and staff in unison are coming out against him so much so that Harper comments openly that he is being unfairly targetted, it is nothing but usual moaning against a botched up decision (though they agreed to the conditions of the technology).

But if a Indian captain just says that he would have gotten to the hotel earlier ,or what it is alleged here then it is a case of Institutionalized bullying with Dhoni and BCCI out to get everyone ,wanting to be treated differently etc... etc....
Even though Harper's motivation in this case may be strictly commercial and highly suspect in this case ,with his credibility in question too with some of the offending comments he has made too.
At the same time, All hell would brake loose if tomorrow the BCCI president comes out and implies any umpire is deaf and dumb,if you are getting my point more so than if any other board does so because people now seem to have this inferiority complex or a phobia.

Lol.

Ponting more than any other cricketer gets stuff blown out of proportion. You guys don't get to act the victim here when your media crucified Ponting for TV gate.

 

[Migara]

If Dhoni said so, it's an atrocious attitude.