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*Official* - India in West Indies

shivfan

Banned
Much has been made of the weakened Indian side that played the tests and I do agree with that. But you have to remember that we were missing Gayle and Jerome Taylor too (not to mention Dwayne Bravo). So it wasn't exactly a full strength Windies team either. Just keeping it real.

I enjoyed this series a lot even though we lost. It is exciting that we finally have an attack that can bowl teams out and given the young batting talent coming through the ranks I think we will be very competitive in the near future.
Exactly....

I'm getting tired of posts saying how India would've done better if half a dozen players who opted out had decided to come. It's not the Windies fault that those players prefer playing in the IPL to a Test and ODI series against the West Indies.

Congrats on India winning this series....

I'm pleased with the fight shown by the WI in the final two Tests, and it augurs well for the future.
 

Blaze 18

Banned
Gayle may never play for West Indies again. If Roach doesn't have a place in the side then it's unlikely Taylor does. Obviously it's not West Indies' fault that as many as six Indian players weren't able to make it (I have criticized them more than most for it, FTR) but, with all due respect, to suggest West Indies didn't have a full strength side is a bit disingenuous.
 

Blaze 18

Banned
Well I think he should have at least been more aggressive when the third wicket went down.
I also think he should have been more aggressive, but Dhoni doesn't deserve what he's getting from the media. He's just won us the biggest trophy in cricket FFS! And it isn't like we didn't win the series. :dry:

Could have been better, yes, but a series win is a series win.
 

Rush

Banned
Much has been made of the weakened Indian side that played the tests and I do agree with that. But you have to remember that we were missing Gayle and Jerome Taylor too (not to mention Dwayne Bravo). So it wasn't exactly a full strength Windies team either. Just keeping it real.

I enjoyed this series a lot even though we lost. It is exciting that we finally have an attack that can bowl teams out and given the young batting talent coming through the ranks I think we will be very competitive in the near future.
Tbh Taylor wasn't picked by the selectors nor was Bravo and Gayle's absence is not due to injury but his bout with the WICB
 

Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
Tbh Taylor wasn't picked by the selectors nor was Bravo and Gayle's absence is not due to injury but his bout with the WICB
Jerome Taylor's absence is comparable to Sreesanth's. It is very unlikely that they would have bettered their replacements, with the exception that perhaps Taylor would not have 'got ill' as Rampaul did - but then you're getting into highly speculative territory.
 

GotSpin

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
The only player really missing from the Windies XI were Gayle - Roach has been off colour lately and Fidel did better.

Dwayne Bravo should be nowhere near the test team anyway so he doesn't matter and Rampaul had an excellent series so I don't think Taylor would have had done better.

However, for all the talk of this being a 2nd string Indian side, it was effectively the first choice players that carried the side. It's not like the second choice players performed well at all
 

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
Sreesanth would have played ahead of Praveen and Pujara ahead of Raina if everyone was fit.

Out of the other 4 slots though only really Mukund played a couple of decent to good knocks.
 

hang on

State Vice-Captain
Much has been made of the weakened Indian side that played the tests and I do agree with that. But you have to remember that we were missing Gayle and Jerome Taylor too (not to mention Dwayne Bravo). So it wasn't exactly a full strength Windies team either. Just keeping it real.

I enjoyed this series a lot even though we lost. It is exciting that we finally have an attack that can bowl teams out and given the young batting talent coming through the ranks I think we will be very competitive in the near future.
but i thought that bravo's been dropped. and taylor hasn't been around for yonks. roach was dropped. so, barring gayle, it is a bit strange to say that the west indians were not playing their full strength team. i might be off on my facts here though.

yes, i completely agree that the "we did not have our best team" emanating ad nauseum from the indian side is also, er, nauseating.
 

Rush

Banned
The only player really missing from the Windies XI were Gayle - Roach has been off colour lately and Fidel did better.

Dwayne Bravo should be nowhere near the test team anyway so he doesn't matter and Rampaul had an excellent series so I don't think Taylor would have had done better.

However, for all the talk of this being a 2nd string Indian side, it was effectively the first choice players that carried the side. It's not like the second choice players performed well at all
Tbf as everyone likes to point out, '3 test match Pujara' was the incumbent, so Raina would be 2nd string, and he performed well, and so did Praveen although I'm not really sure what string he was regarded at the start of the series.
 

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
However, for all the talk of this being a 2nd string Indian side, it was effectively the first choice players that carried the side. It's not like the second choice players performed well at all
That's more of a reason for that talk tbh. If 5-6 regular first choice players performed to comfortably clinch the series in spite of the weather, imagine what 11 first choice players could have done, especially if there were no weather problem. Obviously, I am (or for that matter, anyone is) not suggesting that it's a fault of West Indies or whatever.
 

GotSpin

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
That's more of a reason for that talk tbh. If 5-6 regular first choice players performed to comfortably clinch the series in spite of the weather, imagine what 11 first choice players could have done, especially if there were no weather problem. Obviously, I am (or for that matter, anyone is) not suggesting that it's a fault of West Indies or whatever.
My point being that the second string performers didn't contribute that much, rather than imagining a full strength India touring and potential results.

So I find it strange when its dismissively suggested that the Windies were beaten by a second string Indian team, when in fact, it was effectively the 1st choice players that contributed anything meaningful
 
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Blaze 18

Banned
My point being that the second string performers didn't contribute that much, rather than imagining a full strength India touring and potential results.

So I find it strange when its dismissively suggested that the Windies were beaten by a second string Indian team, when in fact, it was effectively the 1st choice players that contributed anything meaningful
GotSpin, if you're only talking about the batting then you're absolutely right (though Raina did okay TBF) as Laxman and Dravid did the bulk of the scoring. However, I'd say Praveen Kumar also contributed "meaningfully".
 

GotSpin

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
GotSpin, if you're only talking about the batting then you're absolutely right (though Raina did okay TBF) as Laxman and Dravid did the bulk of the scoring. However, I'd say Praveen Kumar also contributed "meaningfully".
Yes I was mainly discussing the batting. Kumar did a very serviceable job indeed. Although, if he starts in England, I don't think he qualifies as a second string player then.
 

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
So I find it strange when its dismissively suggested that the Windies were beaten by a second string Indian team...
Nobody suggested that (at least I didn't)...

All I ('dismissively' :p ) suggested was that the Windies were beaten by India in spite of 6 first choice Indian players missing the tour (for various reasons). Neither did I suggest that the second string players clinched the series, nor that was the fault of West Indies that 6 Indian first choice players missed the series.
 
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GotSpin

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Nobody suggested that (at least I didn't)...

All I ('dismissively' :p ) suggested was that the Windies were beaten by India in spite of 6 first choice Indian players missing the tour (for various reasons). Neither did I suggest that the second string players clinched the series, nor that it was the fault of West Indies that 6 Indian first choice players missed the series.
It's been mentioned before.
 

Blaze 18

Banned
Yes I was mainly discussing the batting. Kumar did a very serviceable job indeed. Although, if he starts in England, I don't think he qualifies as a second string player then.
Yes, true. I don't think he'll get picked though, TBH. I'm reasonably sure Zaheer, Ishant and Sreesanth - in that order after the latest series - are the three first choice pacers. If Sreesanth bowlers utter dross in game one (definitely possible), he may get a look in.
 
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Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
Praveen was a second string player before this tour though and so was Raina. Mukund is still a second string.
 

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