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Does Kevin Pietersen deserve the axe in ODIs?

should KP be axed from ODIs?

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Jacknife

Jacknife

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grecian said:
To me Kevin has looked like he has for the last four years in this form, looks brilliant then plays a foolish shot, which is generally explained away by other batsmen not performing quickly enough. I want KP to just play Test and T20, these seem to be the games he's happy with, he seems confused in the in-between format now.

Buttler and Hildreth are my biased picks, and as I say they're just names I threw out there, Hales and plenty of others I'm sure are available. Has I say if other blokes aren't giving chances they can't perform.

Not sure that Buttler has had a poor season in this form, which is what we're talking about, and for the fast-scoring number 6 he looks a good bet.
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The good thing about Buttler is, that he also can keep, which is very handy to have, especially in this format of the game.
Looking at his stats this year, he played well in 3 list A games, where he got a 94*, 30* and a 51*. Playing for somerset in that strong line up, has given himself a chance to clock up the number of not outs 9 in 21 games. It's funny because his because he hasn't enjoyed the same success in T20 cricket, which i reckon he''s made for.
When I've watched him play, he looks, a really good batsmen, really inventive with his shots and has good power. If his game, could transfer to international cricket, he would be great, coming in for England at 6, like he does for his county.
Ideally, you'd like him, to get some England Lions experience in him, instead of dropping him in at the deep end.
 
TT Boy

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Jason "Viru" Roy is the ideal replacement but he needs probably a year or so more. Like KP, Roy is from KwaZulu and has a penchant for the outrageous.



Taylor would be the ideal replacement for Bell.
 
GIMH

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grecian said:
Got no-one on ignore atm, which is pretty good for me here, will no doubt change soon.

Trying to drag it on subject, Bun is very indo-centric, (is that a phrase?), but as in this thread he brings up some decent points, other Indian fan-girls have really never entertained, so the ignore button is used. Yet most are banned now.

I'm much more likely to put Gimp on ignore, TBH.
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Howe_zat

Howe_zat

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grecian said:
The thing is both of these guys are being kept in for the same reasons as Prior, because they're doing alright in Tests, really no reason otherwise.
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Off the top of my head, there's three huge differences:

1. Prior actually has serious technical reasons why he's much better in Tests. KP doesn't. I can go into this in more detail if you like.

2. Prior has never had a decent run of scores in ODIs, let alone a run like KP, who was reasonably called our best ODI batsman ever.

3. KP is also still our best T20 bat (along with Morgan), and it makes very little sense for him to be playing both Tests and T20 but not the format that's between the two.
 
grecian

grecian

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Howe_zat said:
Off the top of my head, there's three huge differences:

1. Prior actually has serious technical reasons why he's much better in Tests. KP doesn't. I can go into this in more detail if you like.

2. Prior has never had a decent run of scores in ODIs, let alone a run like KP, who was reasonably called our best ODI batsman ever.

3. KP is also still our best T20 bat (along with Morgan), and it makes very little sense for him to be playing both Tests and T20 but not the format that's between the two.
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It makes sense, coz he's been gash in this form for a long time, Prior may have been a bad example.

Anyway, fully expect him to make a game-winning ton now after all my slating, and I hope he does.
 
wpdavid

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Looking at the last couple of games, at least KP looks like he knows what he's trying to do in these games, and looks good enough to be able to do it. Until he has a brain-fart, of course. The strangest thing about him for my money is that he actually seems a less intelligent batsman than when he first appeared for the side, and I can offer no reason at all why that should be the case.

I do think he's batting too low at number four.
 
Uppercut

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Yeah, I agree, I'd have him at 3. He looked like he could take as many runs as he wanted during the powerplays but as soon as the field was set back, he struggled.

Having Trott at 3 and KP at 4 is pretty silly. It's like, "let's defend as Plan A, then if we lose a couple of wickets, start attacking". It's completely the wrong way round.
 
Jacknife

Jacknife

International Captain
Uppercut said:
Yeah, I agree, I'd have him at 3. He looked like he could take as many runs as he wanted during the powerplays but as soon as the field was set back, he struggled.

Having Trott at 3 and KP at 4 is pretty silly. It's like, "let's defend as Plan A, then if we lose a couple of wickets, start attacking". It's completely the wrong way round.
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Personally, I've always thought and we did try it in the WC, that KP opening would be our best bet but it then, comes down to the balance and where the rest bat. Even though he only had a few games there, I'd have liked to see it persevered with a bit longer.
I think at the moment though, it would defo pay, for England to be a bit more flexible, about who come in at 3, sometimes the situation may be ideal for Trott other times KP.
 
kp4captain

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The biggest problem with KP at the moment is bowlers don't even need to bowl well to get him out, he's getting himself out. He seems to have forgotten how to pace an innings and see the job through, that's in all forms of the game IMO. He probably would benefit from the extra responsibility of coming in at number 3, though for me Englands ODI batting line up is extremaly messed up. Taking the six currently in the team, I'd go Cook, Kieswetter, Pietersen, Trott, Bell, Morgan. KP helping us get off to a good start, Morgan back to being the finisher, Trott there to stabilse two early wickets and Trott and Bell to nurdle their singles through the middle overs.
 
Jacknife

Jacknife

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wpdavid said:
Looking at the last couple of games, at least KP looks like he knows what he's trying to do in these games, and looks good enough to be able to do it. Until he has a brain-fart, of course. The strangest thing about him for my money is that he actually seems a less intelligent batsman than when he first appeared for the side, and I can offer no reason at all why that should be the case.

I do think he's batting too low at number four.
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IMO when your searching for that big score, shots that usually would have come off for him, he's either miss hitting, or trying to hit too hard and thus, he looks like he's given his wicket away. Whereas before, he was full of confidence in his game, he'd been scoring runs for fun, in one day cricket and everything he tried usually came off.
I think in cricket sometimes, you can almost try too hard and that's what he seems to be doing wrong. People are probably saying to KP, play how you used to before, dominate the bowlers, take risks but all his best one day innings, he used to start off quite slow and gradually through the innings, up his strike rate and dominate, that's where he seems to be going wrong.
I believe, it will just take one good innings, to find his game in 50 over cricket and it will do him the power of good.
 
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Himannv

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From a neutral point of view, nothing really wrong with the personnel at all tbh. Cook, Kieswetter, Trott, Pietersen, Bell, Morgan, thats pretty good. Of those you have three consolidators who build partnerships and rotate the strike and three attacking batsmen who score runs quickly when needed. Thats quite nicely balanced I reckon. The issue is that each player needs to identify their specific role in the team and the management needs to sort out how to pick the best lineup to suit these roles.

Nothing wrong with KP as an ODI batsmen. He obviously has the skills required, he just doesn't seem to have identified his role in the team yet. Its like he tries to play all roles at once, just like all the other batsmen in the lineup. Even Trott, Cook and Bell are trying to score quick runs when its obvious their strengths lie elsewhere. Seems to me like all of them want to play all the roles at the same time. England have a decent lineup, they just need to use it better.
 
Howe_zat

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Uppercut said:
Having Trott at 3 and KP at 4 is pretty silly. It's like, "let's defend as Plan A, then if we lose a couple of wickets, start attacking". It's completely the wrong way round.
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I don't think that's really the case. What you need from your lower-middle in ODIs is versatility, and neither of Trott or KP really have that, so shought to stay out of the 4-7 range. Bell's success in different situations in the Tests had me thinking he could do this, but that doesn't seem the case. Morgan is our only real answer to the Mike Husseys and the like. If Samit Patel has finally started jumping through the necessary hoops, give him an extended run in the side. He's not going to do much worse, is he?

Trott at 3 is fine, though opening with KP seems like a sound idea. Has the chance of fixing two problems in one - specifically the "What the frig do we do with KP" and "Who the frig opens" problems.
 
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I'd love to see him get a go at the top of the order, but Cook's place is nailed down and every keeper in the country is an opener so it's kinda disruptive. Cook/KP/Trott is still a touch too negative for mine. Ideally you want two of the top three to be naturally aggressive. Trott shouldn't really be batting in the opening powerplay unless there's a couple of wickets down.
 
Jarquis

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The problems Cook. Obviously we can't drop him but quite frankly if we didn't have to pick him then the top 3 would be
Trott
A.Keeper
Pietersen
Imo. But as it is Cook takes Trotts role and then JT has to make his home somewhere in the middle order, which isn't where he usually bats in List A cricket, and we run the risk of a Cook/Trott partnership leaving us 60/1 after 18 or something.
 
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