not too many are writing off the victory at all. of course, the brad williams side also had hayden, langer, waugh, gilly and co. bet that many would swap the current lot for that, brad williams or not, in a heartbeat!
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Are England The Real Deal?
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GotSpin
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Given. But its still somewhat of a special thing to so comprehensively defeat us in our own backyard. Our 2-0 loss in India prior to the ashes was no thrashing.
gotspin,
certainly an impressive feat. but it is also not anathema to point out that the team that was beaten was one on the wane and not playing particularly well and burdened with a confederacy of dunces for selectors etc.. i dont think that it constitutes downplaying the win but more putting it in context.
perhaps the best compromise is: all things considered, the win wasn't as impressive as the english fans want it to be and not as unimpressive as the indians consider it to be!
certainly an impressive feat. but it is also not anathema to point out that the team that was beaten was one on the wane and not playing particularly well and burdened with a confederacy of dunces for selectors etc.. i dont think that it constitutes downplaying the win but more putting it in context.
perhaps the best compromise is: all things considered, the win wasn't as impressive as the english fans want it to be and not as unimpressive as the indians consider it to be!
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Bun
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lol at charging at windmills.
GotSpin
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah seems fair
Anyway. I'm not really enjoying this discussion of how much Australia has been losing. Can't you Indian blokes go heap praise on your embarrassment of an 'all-rounded' attack and the English on a top order that can only play three different strokes and as entertaining as reading SS post in the CW science thread
Maybe. But the series before that in 2008 was a thrashing? Not? India have pretty much owned the Aussies at home/away for the last decade and if not for "monkeygate", That series would have been atleast a draw for India.
Yes England beating Australia was massive, but at the same time India have done equally well, I'm taking in to account the home games as well.
India-England will be very interesting series and India at this moment are experienced more than England to hold the favorites tag. That is my opinion though. In all reality if India unleash either of Mishra or Ashwin, England would find it tricky. But we know that won't happen because that over-rated **** Bhajji will play.
GotSpin
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What are you talking about? How can you own someone home/away when you've never won away?
My only defence for the 2008 series is that Cameron White was picked as a bowler. I rest my case
it was comprehensive victory but not a thrashing. think india were on the ropes a couple of times in the first test and batted out a draw. the second was a hammering for the aussies. the 3rd was a high scoring match with a couple of nervous moments for the indians on the last day. and the fourth was a decently confortable victory.
also, what about the home series in 04.....the deal was done and dusted before the last test. and the two wins were complete hammerings inflicted on the indians. the washed out match was in the balance when the last day's play was washed out.
so not sure about the whole owning australia home and away bit!
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Bun
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cant u australian guys stay off this thread?
Bun
Banned
tbh there isn't any.. this one's atleat a month away still...
speaking of which, with so much ****ing anticipation, flame war, and discussions spread across diff threads, all this early, why isnt there a sub forum?????????
james, are u listening mate?
GotSpin
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That's just like saying Australia would have won in 2001 had there not been decisions go against us. Don't really get your point
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four_or_six
Cricketer Of The Year
At least there won't be any umpiring controversies this series since we have the review system.
Oh wait...
Really. Really? now? You are better than that. In 2001, There were not blatant decisions like the one that happened in Sydney.
In 2001, Two instances that come to my mind are Ponting getting Dravid LBW in Kolkata and not given out. But by that time India had already escaped. The second one was when umpire Bansal in a fit gives a few LBW toward the end of the innings. But they were marginal at best. Not blatant like the ones in Sydney
1) Ponting Caught behind
2) Symmo caught behind, which could be heard all over the place
3) Symmo Stumped
4) Dravid given out when not out
5) Ganguly's dismissal
So Imagine that against 2001.
That discussion is for a different time and day. 
four_or_six
Cricketer Of The Year
Bun
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seems a tad aggressive comment since india have played so many series since then, none of them featuring udrs, and yet did well without huge controversies.
absence of udrs isnt automatically sydneygate.