*Official* - Road to India in England 2011

[Bun]

Zimbabwe's cricket board has a level of corruption IIRC that makes the PCB look squeaky clean by comparison. I'm pretty sure they don't have cricket's best interest at heart at all.

I can bet the corruption in zim wouldnt be a patch on corruption in indian cricket. so what next? ban india??

 

[Bun]

In this instance, the attack on BCCI is completely misplaced. If you do desperately want to attack someone on the UDRS issue, the logical target should be the Indian team. And the section of the Indian fans who believe that the misgivings about UDRS that some of their players have are not entirely without foundation.

In this entire controversy, the BCCI is blameless IMHO; they have done nothing more than act as the voice of the Indian players at the ICC. It would have been an utter disgrace had they decided that they would rather curry favour with some other national boards (not to forget assorted posters on CW with their blinkers firmly in place) and ride roughshod over the concerns that the Indian players have expressed. That the more expedient course of action, one which would have been politically beneficial to the mandarins at BCCI, would be the one that they opt for.

When an absolute impasse is reached, and the weaker side is so completely mule-headed that they refuse to explore possibilities of accommodation and adjustment, inevitably the views of the stronger side will prevail altogether.

The bone of contention is about the vagaries of the predictive part of hawk-eye (or its immaculate accuracy, depending on ones point of view) - which by now has become far removed from the realm of empirical scientific validation and moved to that of metaphysical religious belief. The sensible course of action would have been to propose starting off UDRS with hawk-eye minus its predictive part, hot-spot, slo-mo and snicko; and agree to use the experience to reassess the accuracy of the predictive element, over some reasonabe period of time.

bcci are the owners of indian cricket, and it employs the players. it cannot take refuge or pass the bck that it is merely toeing the players' views. bcci must have it's own opinion on the issue, which may or may not be influenced by player concerns.

tomorrow if the players say they want to play all their cricket at home, and ask for more t20s and lesser tests, should bcci comply?? I don't think bcci has really a foot to stand on as far as udrs implementation is concerned. it's time they woke up to ground reality, and I don't find issues with having predictive path which is what adds real value imho.

agree with the opinion about the servile attitude of other boards. I am disappointed at how ecb received the news of non implementation of udrs in this series with a shrug and a sigh.

 

[GIMH]

Bun, bringing Iraq into this? Really? I'm done discussing it with you.

 

[honestbharani]

Agree with Borges.. BCCI are being adamant only because their senior players are being adamant. BCCI is basically just supporting its players, which is what every board should do, IMO.. But in this instance, the players are totally wrong. BCCI are not gonna sell out the players who make them all the money, right?

 

[marc71178]

So HB, if the senior players were so adamant about it not being any use, why did they not refuse to use it during the WC - could easily have refused to review anything which they didn't agree with.

 

[honestbharani]

So HB, if the senior players were so adamant about it not being any use, why did they not refuse to use it during the WC - could easily have refused to review anything which they didn't agree with.

lol.. u r being pedantic.. They will use it when its there and forced on them, but they won't when they have a chance to oppose. Right now, from playing conditions it is clear they don't have to use it if their board would say NO and so they have asked it to say NO...

 

[Bun]

Bun, bringing Iraq into this? Really? I'm done discussing it with you.

please, I was bringing it up as a parallel to show the ludicrousness of mixing cricket with politics, since anyone can point out anything worng (according to him or her)

 

[four_or_six]

please, I was bringing it up as a parallel to show the ludicrousness of mixing cricket with politics, since anyone can point out anything worng (according to him or her)

It is a false comparison. Unless I'm very much mistaken, Giles Clarke was not a key player in the Iraq invasion.

 

[Bun]

It is a false comparison. Unless I'm very much mistaken, Giles Clarke was not a key player in the Iraq invasion.

indeed, and prosper utseya and chigumbura had exactly what to do with the farmer displacements in zimbabwe? Or with other domestic issues in zim which seemingly uk is taking an exception to?

how anyone's going to benefit by taking away their membership? basically english govt. through ecb wanted to use cricket as a tool to score a political point, which other members voted down.

if you are talking corruption pervading their board as a reason for calling them to be kept away, the likes of india and pakistan would have to be suspended first.

 

[Uppercut]

In this instance, the attack on BCCI is completely misplaced. If you do desperately want to attack someone on the UDRS issue, the logical target should be the Indian team. And the section of the Indian fans who believe that the misgivings about UDRS that some of their players have are not entirely without foundation.

In this entire controversy, the BCCI is blameless IMHO; they have done nothing more than act as the voice of the Indian players at the ICC. It would have been an utter disgrace had they decided that they would rather curry favour with some other national boards (not to forget assorted posters on CW with their blinkers firmly in place) and ride roughshod over the concerns that the Indian players have expressed. That the more expedient course of action, one which would have been politically beneficial to the mandarins at BCCI, would be the one that they opt for.

When an absolute impasse is reached, and the weaker side is so completely mule-headed that they refuse to explore possibilities of accommodation and adjustment, inevitably the views of the stronger side will prevail altogether.

The bone of contention is about the vagaries of the predictive part of hawk-eye (or its immaculate accuracy, depending on ones point of view) - which by now has become far removed from the realm of empirical scientific validation and moved to that of metaphysical religious belief. The sensible course of action would have been to propose starting off UDRS with hawk-eye minus its predictive part, hot-spot, slo-mo and snicko; and agree to use the experience to reassess the accuracy of the predictive element, over some reasonabe period of time.

Yeah but if we actually say that it's all ****ing Tendulkar's fault we'll just get eaten by the troll army.

 

[Bun]

sry I musta missed that memo where they made sachin head of bcci

 

[Cevno]

Yeah good point Shri, as an example just look at how England get their own way in Football all the time.

Qatar do though and they are pretty rich.

Football is a bad analogy in any case.

 

[Cevno]

Plus not only do England and the home nations get a permanent vice presidency of FIFA ,they also have permanent seats on IFAB.

And don't get me started on field hockey moving from grass to astro turf and the abolition of the offside rule there and the selection of Olympic sports.

Cricket is pretty even in terms of power split.

 

[GIMH]

It's not even though, is it? Because if the BCCI don't want something to get voted through, you can rest assured it won't get voted through.

Say what you like, the FA do NOT have that power in football.

And I hate it when people say 'football is a bad analogy' because it doesn't suit their argument. It is THE global game. If someone is going to say 'this happens in all sports' then start with the biggest.

 

[biased indian]

So HB, if the senior players were so adamant about it not being any use, why did they not refuse to use it during the WC - could easily have refused to review anything which they didn't agree with.

to put it in a simple way dhoni and company has been very poor with UDRS and given a chance they will not want o use it..think during world cup they had the worst record in using UDRS

 

[Shri]

Wonder if they would welcome the udrs if the referals were unlimited.

 

[marc71178]

to put it in a simple way dhoni and company has been very poor with UDRS and given a chance they will not want o use it..think during world cup they had the worst record in using UDRS

Not sure if that is true or not, but if so then they only have themselves to blame to be honest.

 

[honestbharani]

Not sure if that is true or not, but if so then they only have themselves to blame to be honest.

No one is saying otherwise though.. Look, the points here are simple. Using UDRS is better than not using UDRS IMO.. But it is downright stupid to laugh off every single concern that some Indian raises about the usage of UDRS.. They may be stupid and adamant in not trying it at least, but its not like their concerns are totally unfounded.

 

[GIMH]

Well they are unfounded. If they weren't using UDRS on the basis of the alternative being more reliable it would be fair enough. But the alternative is categorically less reliable. It's downright pathetic.

 

[Bun]

yeah its a bad thing not using udrs. but hey can we please move on? it's irritating to open this thread and see a geriantismyhero rant against bcci.