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Baseball V Cricket?

A Better Sport?


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indiaholic

International Captain
It is ultimately about aesthetics for me. Cricket is far more graceful than baseball. To me baseball is just ugly to watch and hence was never interested in playing it. On the contrary i have found sports like football and tennis truly beautiful and enjoyed playing as well as watching these.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Unless you are knowledgeable about both sports, I don't think you should be commentating on the tactics/difficulty of doing certain things. Obviously which sport is superior is an asinine question (even though I answered baseball and I think it's fair enough to have an opinion based on whatever) and there is no way to really quantify any sport like that. And it's just a fun little debate based on opinion and "soft" attributes like aesthetics (which again of course people will disagree on purely on what they like).

But let's not misrepresent one sport or the other. Saying things like baseball pitches are like full tosses in cricket is just completely ludicrous. That'd be like a baseball batter saying cricket can be played by kids in high school because the top guys who have the most "outs" in cricket history only pitches at like 50mph and a middle schooler would destroy that.

It simply shows a lack of understanding.
 

smash84

The Tiger King
Unless you are knowledgeable about both sports, I don't think you should be commentating on the tactics/difficulty of doing certain things. Obviously which sport is superior is an asinine question (even though I answered baseball and I think it's fair enough to have an opinion based on whatever) and there is no way to really quantify any sport like that. And it's just a fun little debate based on opinion and "soft" attributes like aesthetics (which again of course people will disagree on purely on what they like).

But let's not misrepresent one sport or the other. Saying things like baseball pitches are like full tosses in cricket is just completely ludicrous. That'd be like a baseball batter saying cricket can be played by kids in high school because the top guys who have the most "outs" in cricket history only pitches at like 50mph and a middle schooler would destroy that.

It simply shows a lack of understanding.
Of course cricket can be played by kids in high school. Whoever said that cricket is out of bounds to high schoolers????
 

Fusion

Global Moderator
Of course cricket can be played by kids in high school. Whoever said that cricket is out of bounds to high schoolers????
He meant it could be said that high school kids in the United States could play professional cricket because it would be so easy for them. :p
 

Daemon

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Unless you are knowledgeable about both sports, I don't think you should be commentating on the tactics/difficulty of doing certain things. Obviously which sport is superior is an asinine question (even though I answered baseball and I think it's fair enough to have an opinion based on whatever) and there is no way to really quantify any sport like that. And it's just a fun little debate based on opinion and "soft" attributes like aesthetics (which again of course people will disagree on purely on what they like).

But let's not misrepresent one sport or the other. Saying things like baseball pitches are like full tosses in cricket is just completely ludicrous. That'd be like a baseball batter saying cricket can be played by kids in high school because the top guys who have the most "outs" in cricket history only pitches at like 50mph and a middle schooler would destroy that.

It simply shows a lack of understanding.
awta. (other than the baseball>cricket part)

And baseball pitches are definitely not like full tosses in cricket, theres all kinds of things you can do in baseball to make it keep rising or falling etc in the air. Theres stuff like the split finger fastball, cut fastball, forkball and Four/Two seam fastball. And those are just a subset of fastballs. Theres still stuff like changeups and breaking balls etc which also have a few types of deliveries each under them. So there definitely is variation in baseball as well, maybe not as much as in cricket, but you've got to realise that even in cricket, theres only a fixed number of variations an individual bowler can have. You can't just state every single type of delivery in cricket and then say it's more than as compared to baseball because not every bowler can bowl all those deliveries.
 
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smash84

The Tiger King
awta. (other than the baseball>cricket part)

And baseball pitches are definitely not like full tosses in cricket, theres all kinds of things you can do in baseball to make it keep rising or falling etc in the air. Theres stuff like the split finger fastball, cut fastball, forkball and Four/Two seam fastball. And those are just a subset of fastballs. Theres still stuff like changeups and breaking balls etc which also have a few types of deliveries each under them. So there definitely is variation in baseball as well, maybe not as much as in cricket, but you've got to realise that even in cricket, theres only a fixed number of variations an individual bowler can have. You can't just state every single type of delivery in cricket and then say it's more than as compared to baseball because not every bowler can bowl all those deliveries.
Exactly.

I think people here are missing the point as to why the full toss comment was made in the first place..
 

KiWiNiNjA

International Coach
for example, the ball has more ways of reaching - bouncing, full toss, swinging, moving off the pitch, spinning - the batsman, while the batsman has more options and ways of hitting it...behind the wicket. additionally, the element of time, the pitch etc. add greater complexity to the game. in all these regards, cricket and cricketers have more elements, dimensions or parameters to deal with. of course, it can be argued that such variety might aid a greater mastery of breadth of activities but less specialization ie hitting a ball in a zone better and better....
Nah nah, baseball has variety too you know.
- 2 seam fastball, 4 seam fastball, sinker, splitter, cutter, slider, curveball, change up
- horizontal movement on the pitch, vertical movement on the pitch, how late that movement comes
- location - high/low, inside/outside
- velocity
- release point


Then there is the patience, pitch recognition, swing mechanics, timing etc etc
I could go on and on.

This is a sport where failing 2 times out of 3 is considered to be very good. I'd say it's quite complex.

Yeah, the ball doesn't bounce, but you have to be more selective in baseball too. You can't just block a pitch back to the pitcher and wait for the next one
I love both Cricket and Baseball, neither is better than the other, imo.

A lot of people talking out their arses about a sport they obviously know nothing about, tbh.
 
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hang on

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not saying that baseball doesn't have variety, just that cricket has more....simply/mainly by virtue of the fact that the ball can bounce and the batsman can also hit the ball in any direction. the time element and the corresponding changing conditions also adds to the complexity of cricket relative to baseball.

i am looking at it from the viewpoint of the number of different outcomes that can eventuate from one delivery, or one over, or 1 day or one match....the numbers in cricket will generally be higher than those for baseball. hence, that makes cricket (from a purely mathematical viewpoint...don't ask me about it since i am not sure i recollect all that well enough!) a more complex sport.

don't assume, just because i prefer cricket to baseball, that i know nothing about baseball.
 
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hang on

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i have.

read what i wrote just above. complexity/variety as determined by the number of outcomes possible from one delivery etc.....
 

Daemon

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What I mean is theres only so many variations one bowler can come up with. So you can't count all the infitine types of variations in cricket and say cricket is more complex.

Don't get me wrong, as a whole, I do think there is more variety in cricket. Just that it doesn't make the sport any more harder.
 

hang on

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not harder. just more complex...to me, the viewer, and hence, by my calculus, more interesting or sophisticated.
 

Daemon

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Guess I misunderstood your argument for one advocating that cricket is harder than baseball. My bad.
 

hang on

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no worries.

as an aside, i actually made a point about a cricketer - batsman, in this case - possibly more capable of being a better 'allrounder' by virtue of having to deal with greater variety, while a baseball batter being a better specialist by sheer dint of needing to hit a ball further and further. almost like a sprinter vs. a long distance runner or a triathlete. again, a very simplistic way of looking at it and perhaps a discussion for another day!
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
Unless you are knowledgeable about both sports, I don't think you should be commentating on the tactics/difficulty of doing certain things. Obviously which sport is superior is an asinine question (even though I answered baseball and I think it's fair enough to have an opinion based on whatever) and there is no way to really quantify any sport like that. And it's just a fun little debate based on opinion and "soft" attributes like aesthetics (which again of course people will disagree on purely on what they like).

But let's not misrepresent one sport or the other. Saying things like baseball pitches are like full tosses in cricket is just completely ludicrous. That'd be like a baseball batter saying cricket can be played by kids in high school because the top guys who have the most "outs" in cricket history only pitches at like 50mph and a middle schooler would destroy that.

It simply shows a lack of understanding.
Ban please!
 

vcs

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Has a baseball batter ever forward defensed a ball for a home run? Most people would agree that cricket is better from an aesthetic perspective.
 

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