*Official* - Road to India in England 2011

[Austerlitz]

English captaincy>indian captaincy?

That's a little harsh i think.More or less equal i think.

 

[hang on]

was curious about sehwag and his performances in england.

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not too shabby, to be fair. just a little worse than ponting, from one perspective!

regarding gambhir, i think his alleged unease at the crease when the ball moves belies his performances in conditions that traditionally aid seam and swing. he has done well in new zealand and south africa, if memory serves. surprisingly so even though it can be argued that the conditions in new zealand were rather uncharacteristically unthreatening.

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[BoyBrumby]

Can understand when people talk about Gambhir's weakness against steep bounce, though its exaggerated. But I don't understand this idea that he's weak against swing. Where has this come from?

Really looked clueless against SA, I thought. Made some runs, but remember him getting a lesson at Centurion. Could barely lay bat on ball & scored about 5 off 50. Maybe it's given me an unfair impression.

I guess Morkel's height helped too.

 

[social]

People are definitiely overrating the Indian batting in English conditions

Obviously, Tendy is one of the greatest players ever and VVS is class but I wouldnt be so sure that Gambhir, Sehwag (has looked largely terrible since the Aussies started targetting him with the short ball and others started following suit), Dravid (years past his best) and random no. 6 will do all that well

 

[Jono]

Really looked clueless against SA, I thought. Made some runs, but remember him getting a lesson at Centurion. Could barely lay bat on ball & scored about 5 off 50. Maybe it's given me an unfair impression.

I guess Morkel's height helped too.

That's bounce though.

 

[Borges]

was curious about sehwag and his performances in england.

The most curious aspect is that Sehwag is an opener today because of his performances in England. He was a lower middle order batsman who was asked to fill in as a make-shift opener on the tour to England. India had no opening batsmen at all; experiments with worthies like Deep Dasgupta opening the batting had failed miserably. Sehwag made 80+ in his first test as an opener, a century in his second, and has routinely opened for India ever since then.

 

[BoyBrumby]

That's bounce though.

Played and missed a lot outside off too, or at least that's my memory. Classic fast bowler's gambit, in fact. Soften him up with a short one and get one to leave him afterwards.

 

[Jacknife]

Still not sure about Tremlett's natural length in English Conditions though .It is shorter than Ideal for those conditions which is a major reason why he was not in the English setup till now.

Like Ishant Sharma ,Australian pitches were ideal for him and the gap between him and Sreesanth i Australia as a bowler would be very big for me ,but in England with Sreesanth being a pitch it up and Swing bowler(though erratic) the gap reduces significantly.

No, the major reason why Tremlett hasn't been in the England set up, is down to injury problems. Like I said before, he has over the past 5 years, been getting loads of wickets in CC and either getting picked by England or about to get picked and suffered from injury after injury. It's only really since he moved to Surrey, that his fitness hasn't been a problem.
The unusual thing about Tremlett for someone so tall, in England he can swing the ball and ball fuller, if he has the conditions. His natural length, isn't back of a length but a good length, but he can change to suit the pitch.
Over the years I've watch him play CC, I think he's become a much better bowler, his accuracy is one of his main strengths, which it wasn't, at the start of his career and in his early days, his length was more that of a typical tall bowler, but he's learned what works best for him and really does bowl a fuller length.

 

[silentstriker]

Big call. Sehwag's record against us is awful and Gambhir struggles when the ball darts around. In English conditions I'd say Strauss has the best technique to cope.

Two week avatar bet that the cumulative runs scored by the Indian openers > English openers?

 

[BoyBrumby]

Two week avatar bet that the cumulative runs scored by the Indian openers > English openers?

Yeah, done.

 

[Furball]

Two week avatar bet that the cumulative runs scored by the Indian openers > English openers?

Make it a month and you're on.

edit: **** you Brumby

 

[centurymaker]

Played and missed a lot outside off too, or at least that's my memory. Classic fast bowler's gambit, in fact. Soften him up with a short one and get one to leave him afterwards.

extra bounce leads to play and misses too!!!

 

[GIMH]

As for ratings...Indian openers > English Openers. Indian middle order > English middle order. English captaincy > Indian captaincy. English fast bowling > Indian fast bowling (Zaheer > Anderson but Tremmlet and Broad way, way better than the rest of the Indian pace attack). English spin bowling = Indian spin bowling (well, Swann way better but effect is neutralized since he is bowling to better players of spin).

Overall, it's pretty even, with the difference being selection and obviously the home conditions.

Actually, anyone up for an avatar bet? I say Harbhajan ends up with a better bowling average than Swann.

Zaheer isn't better than Anderson. And in English conditions? Give me a break. Anderson>everyone, at home

 

[Teja.]

Zaheer isn't better than Anderson. And in English conditions? Give me a break. Anderson>everyone, at home

Avatar bet? Fairly confident Zak will outbowl Jimmeh.

In the condition that Zak bowls atleast one ball in the series though.

 

[centurymaker]

Zaheer isn't better than Anderson. And in English conditions? Give me a break. Anderson>everyone, at home

Prob not.
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Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[GIMH]

Yeah, go for it

How's it being decided? Average?

 

[Teja.]

Yeah, go for it

How's it being decided? Average?

Average within an 8 wicket range IMO. Would be unfair to you if using average alone, if Zaheer took a 10-fer in the first game and injures himself, not playing the rest of the series. 8 wickets is a big enough range to cover for disparity in competition for wickets, I reckon.

 

[Jacknife]

Jimmy averages 23 in England, 55 wickets in 13 tests, the last 2 years, crazy good numbers.

 

[Teja.]

Jimmy averages 23 in England, the last 2 years, crazy good numbers.

Yeah, I would make an argument that if you contextualize his Pakistan figures, He's been in the very good bracket at home rather than the ATG quality bracket like that number indicates but I cbf arguing right now.

It's undebatable that he has been awesome though and will definitely cause problems for the Indian batting. If Sehwag doesn't respect him and chases everything outside off-stump against the new ball, He'll find it hard to get past single figures.

 

[Jacknife]

Yeah, I would make an argument that if you contextualize his Pakistan figures, He's been in the very good bracket at home rather than the ATG quality bracket like that number indicates but I cbf arguing right now.

It's undebatable that he has been awesome though and will definitely cause problems for the Indian batting. If Sehwag doesn't respect him and chases everything outside off-stump against the new ball, He'll find it hard to get past single figures.

I know what your saying with Pakistan and if it swings this summer like it did the last, we will be in for, some fun and games.