*Official* - Road to India in England 2011

[Kylez]

mental issues.

 

[Cevno]

Still not sure about Tremlett's natural length in English Conditions though .It is shorter than Ideal for those conditions which is a major reason why he was not in the English setup till now.

Like Ishant Sharma ,Australian pitches were ideal for him and the gap between him and Sreesanth i Australia as a bowler would be very big for me ,but in England with Sreesanth being a pitch it up and Swing bowler(though erratic) the gap reduces significantly.

 

[Furball]

Still not sure about Tremlett's natural length in English Conditions though .It is shorter than Ideal for those conditions which is a major reason why he was not in the English setup till now.

Like Ishant Sharma ,Australian pitches were ideal for him and the gap between him and Sreesanth i Australia as a bowler would be very big for me ,but in England with Sreesanth being a pitch it up and Swing bowler(though erratic) the gap reduces significantly.

If his natural length wasn't suitable then he wouldn't have had the domestic success he's had.

Also, guys like Flintoff succeeded in Test cricket despite having a shorter natural length.

 

[vcs]

Need to see more of Tremlett to judge his natural length IMO. He's a tall guy but remember him getting Phil Hughes with a nicely pitched up delivery in one of the Ashes Tests.

 

[Cevno]

If his natural length wasn't suitable then he wouldn't have had the domestic success he's had.

Also, guys like Flintoff succeeded in Test cricket despite having a shorter natural length.

His Domestic record is Good ,not great and That is why he wasn't in the team till last year ,i guess.

And as for Flintoff he himself had a better away record by a decent margin than his home record.
And was part of the reason that despite looking so threatening most times still averaged above 32 in test cricket overall and had a SR on a high side too.

 

[Bun]

Sreesanth actually has a beautiful bowling action in one meaning of the word. What really ****s him is his seam position, can be the best seam position in cricket at times but most of the time it wavers away. Reckon it's one of the main reasons for his inconsistency. When Sree gets his seam position right though, He bowls pretty damn well.

Problem with him is his line is absolutely horrendous at times.. nothing to do with seam position...

 

[Teja.]

Reckon this is another case of the bouncy Aussie pitch stereotype striking again.

In Perth, The pitch was indeed bouncy, Tremmers dominated.

The next test was in Melbourne on a pitch without much bounce yet adapted his line and dominated again. Reckon he'd be a frightening prospect on a pitch like Lords '05.

 

[Cevno]

For some reason even with Sreesanth's seam position being so immaculate the Bowl does not swing as much as it should.

Maybe his seam position is a bit too upright ,when perhaps a slanting one towards the slips would be better.

 

[Spark]

Need to see more of Tremlett to judge his natural length IMO. He's a tall guy but remember him getting Phil Hughes with a nicely pitched up delivery in one of the Ashes Tests.

Actually a lot of his wickets were to fullish balls. As one would expect - his height means the batsman is less certain of whether to get on the front foot or not.

 

[Cevno]

Reckon this is another case of the bouncy Aussie pitch stereotype striking again.

In Perth, The pitch was indeed bouncy, Tremmers dominated.

The next test was in Melbourne on a pitch without much bounce yet adapted his line and dominated again. Reckon he'd be a frightening prospect on a pitch like Lords '05.

It is not exactly about the extra bounce at Perth.
All the Aussie pitches tend to offer good bounce atleast and Melbourne offers pretty good seam movement of length.

Generally Length/back of the length bowlers tend to do well in Australia ,compared to most other countries,specially England where swing bowlers who pitch it up are better off most times.

Stuart Clark,Ishant Sharma,Tremlett etc.. among others have done better in Australia than other places.

Meanwhile the swing bowlers like RP Singh ,Hoggard,Sidebottom,Old version of Zaheer etc.. have done better in England than in Australia by a margin.

Obviously there are going to be exceptions but i think it is a general trend.

 

[salman85]

What's all this talk of Tremlett having the ability to have a long and successful bowling career?Hle'll be 30 this year,and don't bring out the 'age doesn't matter' card,since it does.A couple of bad series here and there and he could well be discarded.He has not completley established himself in the national side as yet.Also,Steven Finn is one for the future,not Tremlett.

 

[Spark]

Stuey Clark would have run riot in England at his peak tbh.

 

[Furball]

Since when has 'back of a length' bowling been successful for touring sides in Australia?

 

[BoyBrumby]

Stuey Clark would have run riot in England at his peak tbh.

Had a spell at Middlesex before he debuted as a test player & one at Hants in 2007. Went good-very good, but not absolutely exceptionally.

 

[silentstriker]

The series in SA should and would have been much tougher for the Indian than this upcoming tour. They pulled out that one with a draw, which was great (conditions are much worse for the Indian batsmen in SA than they will be in England). The key point will be if Zaheer can stay fit, and if he can, he'd be the best bowler in the series in the conditions. If he can't (and there's a very good chance he can't through the whole series), then England to win it. Otherwise, I am cautiously optimistic for an India win.

 

[tooextracool]

It is not exactly about the extra bounce at Perth.
All the Aussie pitches tend to offer good bounce atleast and Melbourne offers pretty good seam movement of length.

Generally Length/back of the length bowlers tend to do well in Australia ,compared to most other countries,specially England where swing bowlers who pitch it up are better off most times.

Stuart Clark,Ishant Sharma,Tremlett etc.. among others have done better in Australia than other places.

Meanwhile the swing bowlers like RP Singh ,Hoggard,Sidebottom,Old version of Zaheer etc.. have done better in England than in Australia by a margin.

Obviously there are going to be exceptions but i think it is a general trend.

I think the point regarding Tremlett is that he is a bit unique for a bowler of his size. I think pigeon holing him as a 'back of the length' bowler is a little unfair. He is more Caddick than he is Stuart Clark. I've seen him bowl outswingers regularly, in fact much like Caddick his only real issue is hitting the right lengths on different pitches. I think where he has a leg up on Caddick though (other than being a couple of inches taller) is that he is also a yard or 2 quicker.

Needless to say, Caddick was dominant in home conditions, and I dont see why Tremlett couldnt be.

 

[silentstriker]

As for ratings...Indian openers > English Openers. Indian middle order > English middle order. English captaincy > Indian captaincy. English fast bowling > Indian fast bowling (Zaheer > Anderson but Tremmlet and Broad way, way better than the rest of the Indian pace attack). English spin bowling = Indian spin bowling (well, Swann way better but effect is neutralized since he is bowling to better players of spin).

Overall, it's pretty even, with the difference being selection and obviously the home conditions.

Actually, anyone up for an avatar bet? I say Harbhajan ends up with a better bowling average than Swann.

 

[BoyBrumby]

As for ratings...Indian openers > English Openers. Indian middle order > English middle order. English captaincy > Indian captaincy. English fast bowling > Indian fast bowling (Zaheer > Anderson but Tremmlet and Broad way, way better than the rest of the Indian pace attack). English spin bowling = Indian spin bowling (well, Swann way better but effect is neutralized since he is bowling to better players of spin).

Overall, it's pretty even, with the difference being selection and obviously the home conditions.

Actually, anyone up for an avatar bet? I say Harbhajan ends up with a better bowling average than Swann.

Big call. Sehwag's record against us is awful and Gambhir struggles when the ball darts around. In English conditions I'd say Strauss has the best technique to cope.

 

[Teja.]

Big call. Sehwag's record against us is awful and Gambhir struggles when the ball darts around. In English conditions I'd say Strauss has the best technique to cope.

See, I won't deny that Gambhir plays some ridiculously pathetic needlessly risky shots which don't even give return against short bowling and looks like a No.10 sometimes against decent out-swing but most importantly, He puts the runs on the board.

I don't think Gambhir's technique against quality pace in the usual countries which assist movement can be predicted to fail unless the past has given any indication that it is true. On the contrary, The evidence we have is overwhelmingly in Gambhir's favour.

Gambhir averages 60 in SA and 89 in NZ. If Gambhir 'looked' like Damien Martyn against pace and put in considerably weaker yet excellent performances like 45 and 58 respectively in those countries, No-one would doubt he'd excel in England.

Definitely a valid criticism against Sehwag though.

 

[Jono]

Can understand when people talk about Gambhir's weakness against steep bounce, though its exaggerated. But I don't understand this idea that he's weak against swing. Where has this come from?