WHY do they say this?

[Bun]

Did I ever tell you Andy Ganteaume's story?

Pl do..

 

[Teja.]

Have I told you lately that I think you're a gun

No he hasn't, when he averages a single boundary away from 100 over a 52 Test spell then come back and we'll have a debate.

At the risk of sounding like an intentional Tendulkar hater(and believe me, I worship him), That wouldn't be enough for me tbh. if Tendulkar averages 100 over a 4 year period of 52 tests, It'd just prove that he was Bradman-esque during that period. The most remarkable thing about Bradman for me is not him averaging 99.4 on it's own but him averaging 99.4 over 20 years. For someone to be Bradman's equal he both has to maintain similar longevity as well as a similar rate of run-scoring, IMHO.

 

[Bun]

At the risk of sounding like an intentional Tendulkar hater(and believe me, I worship him), That wouldn't be enough for me tbh. if Tendulkar averages 100 over a 4 year period of 52 tests, It'd just prove that he was Bradman-esque during that period. The most remarkable thing about Bradman for me is not him averaging 99.4 on it's own but him averaging 99.4 over 20 years. For someone to be Bradman's equal he both has to maintain a similar longevity as well as similar rate of run-scoring, IMHO.

Kid, you're brainwashed.

 

[gvenkat]

Kid, you're brainwashed.

 

[four_or_six]

Meh, what a load of rubbish, from all sides.

Thread closed whilst everyone calms down.

 

[four_or_six]

This thread is being re-opened. Any more trolling/baiting/insulting other members and it will be closed again. Infractions have been given where appropriate, so that should be the end of it.

 

[Daemon]

Sachin

 

[honestbharani]

Sachin

Thread

 

[fredfertang]

Disappointed the thread was closed just as I had a chance to stir up a bit of interest in one of my old features

So to go back to before the interruption the Andy Ganteaume Story is here

 

[Howe_zat]

Story Time With Fred

Can rescue any thread tbh.

 

[GotSpin]

Haha agreed. Just putting some perspective to the blind as bats 99.96 vs 57 argument, which is NIL, which is exactly what it deserves, as it is meaningless.

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I'm sorry but do you actually think a difference in average of 43 runs is meaningless? That's completely absurd

 

[GotSpin]

Kid, you're brainwashed.

Yeah how dare he have a different opinion, one which I daresay, is far better than yours.

 

[GotSpin]

Disappointed the thread was closed just as I had a chance to stir up a bit of interest in one of my old features

So to go back to before the interruption the Andy Ganteaume Story is here

Fascinating story but I couldn't agree with the title.

 

[Fusion]

Yeah how dare he have a different opinion, one which I daresay, is far better than yours.

No need to dig out old quotes and start going down that path again. To remind everyone:

This thread is being re-opened. Any more trolling/baiting/insulting other members and it will be closed again. Infractions have been given where appropriate, so that should be the end of it.

 

[Adamc]

I think Marc made an excellent point pages back. Take Tendulkar's average against the minnows which is around 96 IIRC, and it still is less than Bradman's average.

Having said that, I've decided to put a few more people on my ignore list after reading through the newer pages. Save myself from the inevitable debates.

Ftr, Bradman's average against the minnows of the day, India and South Africa, was 190.12 over ten Tests.

 

[Kylez]

Ftr, Bradman's average against the minnows of the day, India and South Africa, was 190.12 over ten Tests.

But Bradman didn't have to deal with the pressures of being hastled during a haircut.

 

[dhillon28]

Oh and just Tendulkar--fans trivia,

if Tendulkar played only on his favorite grounds (let's take the top 19 of them, 9 more than the sum total Bradman managed to play on his entire test career (that's almost 100% more), he'd be averaging 105 from 56 tests with 7078 runs with 33 100s and 16 50s, which means, almost every aspect of Bradman's records can be considered a subset of Sachin's career and records...

Disclaimer for the fanatics on both sides - Just for fun statistical meandering...

Excellent work on this post dude, I've been busy studying for exams, so sorry if I'm not doing my bit. At the end of the day, your argument is as mathematically valid as people saying Bradman is a better player purely based on his batting average. Those people who early on in this post were going on about average, average, average need to remain consistent now. But these stats do really highlight the bigger picture i.e. the fact that bowling attacks are so varied and grounds around the world provide a variety of conditions; these facts undermine the validity of Bradman's high batting average. How high would Sachins stats be if he didnt have to tour South Africa, Lara in India, Ponting in India, Gilchrist in India, Kallis in england etc. Basically what I'm saying is that batting on just 10 grounds is not enough to find a batsmens kryptonite. Also factor in that bad test series for these players on a tour would no doubt have a knock on effect into the next tour.

 

[fredfertang]

Genuine question as my arithmetic is not the best - doesn't that mean he averaged less than 40 in his other 120 odd tests?

 

[Spark]

Something like.

That's the problem with cherry picking...

 

[Howe_zat]

dhillon, even Bun admitted that stat was fun but it was nonsense. You could just as easily take Tendulkar's least successful 19 grounds as I worked out earlier.

I appreciate the value of variety but it works both ways - yes, Tendulkar had to face Alan Donald on a bouncy Wanderers pitch but he also faced plenty of gentle medium-pacers on an Ahmedabad road. Bradman may not have faced as many bowlers but that doesn't mean they necessarily weren't as good. He spent almost his entire career playing the best team, over and over again.

It's also worth remembering that Bradman's career was over 20 years, solid. No messing about, no leaving out odd ends or anomalies, he really was just that frickin good for that frickin long.

During which time the best bowlers in the world, the personel involved here changed several times over the period - repeatedly threw everything they could at him to try and find his "kryptonite", as you put it. Only once did they come remotely close, during the Bodyline series of 32-33, using tactics that were and continue to be disputed as unfair. Despite the entire system - including selection, fielding, practise, etc - being divised to nullify Bradman, all they did was bring his average down to 56 - "Tendulkaresque", if you will.

And this isn't to demean Tendulkar in any way, because his results are phenomenal. Just to point out the holes in your argument.