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Is Tendulkar's career now "complete"?

GotSpin

Hall of Fame Member
:laugh: I'd still queue up to buy it.


Sachin has to go down as the best player of the modern era. He is just one of those generational athletes like Tiger Woods, Michael Schumacher, Lance Armstrong, Michael Jordan etc who comes along and makes everybody else look like amateurs. Record after record just keeps tumbling and I think he has set the bar so high no one is ever going to be able to clear it.
Not really. Tendulkar has had close peers who have even outperformed him during his career. If anything he is to be applauded on his amazing longevity but to compare batsmen of the same generation and labelling them amateurish is complete rubbish
 
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Western Warrior

School Boy/Girl Captain
Perhaps my choice of words was a little over-enthusiastic and I apologize.. Obviously amateur or amateurish is applicable to the likes of Kallis, Laxman, Ponting Waugh etc etc.

It was never my intent to begin a statistical debate over Tendulkar v other players of his era. However, I still believe that he is one, if not the player of the modern generation.

You are dead right Got_Spin, it is his longevity and continued ability to contribute and contribute well at the pointy end of the sport that is to be applauded.
 

blahblahblah

International 12th Man
the bar so high in terms of??? runs scored? average per innings?? number of match winning knocks???

the number of odi runs

number of test runs

no:of international centuries

no:of centuries in winning cause

and having achieved these things after having faced the likes of mcgrath,murali,wasim,waqar,warne,lee,steyn,pollock,akhtar, ......................


u want some more ?
 

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
I guess Tendulkar is still fit enough and can turn the tables in a match. Sometimes i get envy of him and the mind blowing records he has got on his credit. I guess Indian Govt should honor him with a national award now. As far as his retirement concerns, i guess he's still fit enough to participate in few more series.
He pretty much has all the national awards except the Bharat Ratna which he will probably get in due course and nearly did this year.
 

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
Not really. Tendulkar has had close peers who have even outperformed him during his career. If anything he is to be applauded on his amazing longevity but to compare batsmen of the same generation and labelling them amateurish is complete rubbish
But then to be fair so did Schumacher,Woods and Jordan etc .... over a shorter period.

But what stands them out is the fact that they did it consistently for so long.
Don't think anyone comes close to Sachin in terms of the combination of all his records and the duration of performance. Even in the 90's he was pretty ahead of the competition.
 

GotSpin

Hall of Fame Member
But then to be fair so did Schumacher,Woods and Jordan etc .... over a shorter period.

But what stands them out is the fact that they did it consistently for so long.
Don't think anyone comes close to Sachin in terms of the combination of all his records and the duration of performance. Even in the 90's he was pretty ahead of the competition.
I already said that one of Tendulkar's greatest attributes has been his ability to sustain an incredible record over a long period of time. But I don't think we should start believing that he stood head and shoulders above all modern batsmen because he doesn't. His always been amongst a pack
 

smash84

The Tiger King
the number of odi runs

number of test runs

no:of international centuries

no:of centuries in winning cause

and having achieved these things after having faced the likes of mcgrath,murali,wasim,waqar,warne,lee,steyn,pollock,akhtar, ......................


u want some more ?
All of these are a function of being good and longevity.

And his centuries in winning causes aren't that great.....

and tbf he wasn't that great against mcgrath and 2Ws( whom he didn't play too often)
 

blahblahblah

International 12th Man
All of these are a function of being good and longevity.

And his centuries in winning causes aren't that great.....

and tbf he wasn't that great against mcgrath and 2Ws( whom he didn't play too often)

you better get your facts right before puking out some random **** wherever and whenever u want

did u even think for 1 second before writing that statement or was it a result of the brainfarts that u normally have?

anyways, look at this:

Here is analysis of each of those centuries he scored when INDIA lost and reason why it went in vain.



Sachin Tendulkar gets to yet another century but India end up on the losing side - How many times have we seen that?



While there would be the Tendulkar bashers and critics who say that India lose a match whenever Sachin scores a century, the statistics prove otherwise.


Out of the 48 hundreds, We won 33 , Tied 1, Draw 1. And we lost only 13.


1. 137 off 137 (Strike rate 100) balls Vs SriLanka at Delhi in 1996 World Cup.

India scored 271/3 in 50 overs. The only other 50 score was from Azhar. SL made 272 in 48.4 overs. Manoj Prabhakar had 4-0-47-0. He also opened in the innings and scored 7 of 36 balls.



2. 100 of 111 Balls Vs Pak in Singapore - Apr 96.

India 226 all out in 47.1 overs, When Sachin was out score was 186/4 (We cant blame because next 3 are match fixtures). Pak had a reduced target of 187 from 33 overs.



3. 110 of 138 Balls (Slower but...) vs Sri Lanka In Colombo - Aug 96

Again India 226 for 5 in 50 overs, Only other 50 score from Azhar (58 of 99 balls !!!). Sachin has also bowled 6-0-29-1, the second most economical bowler and the only wicket taker (SL were 230/1 in 44.2 ) of the match next to Srinath. Seven bowlers were used by Azhar.



4. 143 of 131 Balls (!!!) Vs Aus at Sharjah, Apr 1998

This was chasing under lights. The qualifying match before the final. The whole world knows about this match. Still one interesting point, when Sachin was out India were 242 at 5 at 43 overs. Target was 276 in 46. Still India finished at 250/5 scoring just 8 of the next 3 overs.



5. 101 of 140 Balls against SL at Sharjah , Oct 2000.

Indian score was 224/8 in 50 overs. (No other 50 score). SL got 225/5 in 43.5, Sachin also bowled 5-0-22-0, better economy rate than everyone except Srinath.



6. 146 of 153 Balls against Zimbabwe at Jodhpur , December 2000

India made 283 / 8 in 50 overs. Sachin was the last man to be dismissed, score was 235/8 at 46.3 overs when he was out. Agarkar and Zaheer Khan propelled India to 283 in the last 3.3 overs.

When Sachin has scored 146 of 235 in 46.3 overs, you can guess what the other 8 great batsmen were doing against the World class Zimbabwe attack. Second Highest scorer was Zaheer Khan with 32.

Zim got 284/9 in 49.5 overs. Kumble bowled the last over. Sachin also got 6-0-35-1



7. 101 of 129 Balls Vs SA at Johannesburg , Oct 2001

India got 279/5 in 50, Ganguly made 127 of 126 balls. When Ganguly got out, the score was 193-1 in 35.2 overs. Sachin was the last man to get out at 263. SA got 280 in 48.4 overs. Sachin bowled 9-0-51-0, second best in economy rate next only to Agarkar (10-0-45-1)



8. 141 of 135 balls Vs Pak at Rawalpindi, March 2004.

India were chasing 329 and were 317 all out in 48.4 overs, 8 balls to spare. No other batsman made even a 50 (when chasing 300 ) and when Sachin was out, India were 245-4 in 38.4 overs. They needed 85 from 68 balls with 6 wickets in hand.



9. 123 of 130 Balls Vs Pak at Ahmedabad, April 2005.

India made 315/6 in 48 overs (48 over match), again no other 50 score. Second highest was Dhoni 47 of 64 balls, (third highest was extras - 39). Pak made 319 in 48 overs. The three quicks (Balaji, Nehra and Khan went for 188 runs from 26 overs between them taking only 2 wickets). Sachin bowled 6-0-36-1. No Harbhajan and no Kumble.



10. 100 of 113 Balls Vs Pak at Peshawar, Feb-2006.

India were 328 all out in 49.4 overs. Pathan and Dhoni got 60 each. When Sachin was out when India were 305-5 in 45 overs. Managed only 23 in the last five overs. Pak scored 311/7 in 47 overs and won by D/L method. Could have been anybody's game. Sachin did not bowl.



11. 141* of 148 Balls Vs WI , Malaysia.

India made 309 /5 in 50 overs. Sachin was not out. Pathan was the only other 50 scorer. WI made 141/2 in 20 overs and won by D/L method. Again could have been anybody's game.



12. 175 of 141 Balls vs Australia at Hyderabad, 5th Nov 2009.

India needed 351 to win. And at the End, lost by 3 Runs. Spare a thought for Sachin Tendulkar. He seemed to have done everything possible but didn't last the final lap. Only Raina scored along with him…made 59…and other Players just Enjoyed Sachin’s batting.



13. 111 of 101 Balls Vs South Africa at Nagpur , 12th March 2011.

India were 267/1 and at the end all out for 296. When Sachin got out after scoring 111, India only managed to score 30 Runs with lost of 9 Wickets.



This Proved how good Sachin’s hundreds were! Hope people will stop laughing now.



In other 35 Instances , We won 33 , Tied 1, Draw 1.

Just to add to this fact...he already has 14 scores in '90s... Many of which has resulted in an Indian victory.



If we look at the centuries scored by Sachin while chasing are better then the others.



Below is the list of players scoring centuries while chasing :



SACHIN --> HAS DONE IT --> 14 times



PONTING --> HAS DONE IT --> 08 times

LARA --> HAS DONE IT --> 07 times

INZAMAM --> HAS DONE IT --> 03 times

Sir Viv.RICHARDS --> HAS DONE IT --> 03 times

DRAVID --> HAS DONE IT --> 02 times



Now , let us see what Sachin has done for India's cause when he has gone past 50 but not a ton. Out of the 93 times Sachin Tendulkar has scored a fifty, India have secured 56 wins while ending up on the losing side 35 times. Two games were without the Result. Digging deeper, India has won 28 times whenever Sachin has scored between 70 to 99.



Who has scored the maximum number of tons in winning causes for their respective teams.

Sachin’s critics will have their mouths tightly shut because the master tops the chart with most number of tons resulting in a team's win. Most of the time he stayed unbeaten.



Sachin : 33 Hundreds --> 13 times he was Unbeaten.

Ponting : 25 Hundreds --> 8 times he was Unbeaten.

Jayasuriya : 24 Hundreds --> 5 times he was Unbeaten.

Ganguly :18 Hundreds --> 10 times he was Unbeaten.



Hope everyone will understand Sachins stats and hopefully the worth of Sachin's 100's would not be discussed again.
 

smash84

The Tiger King
you better get your facts right before puking out some random **** wherever and whenever u want

did u even think for 1 second before writing that statement or was it a result of the brainfarts that u normally have?

anyways, look at this:
well puking my facts is not random or wherever or whenever......they are in your face :P

By saying "not that great" I meant that as a percentage his centuries in winning causes is less than a some of the other batsmen IIRC (Inzy, Ponting etc)............so before you start proclaiming Sachin as greater than any batsman ever to play the game maybe you can get a brain for yourself.
 

blahblahblah

International 12th Man
well puking my facts is not random or wherever or whenever......they are in your face :P

By saying "not that great" I meant that as a percentage his centuries in winning causes is less than a some of the other batsmen IIRC (Inzy, Ponting etc)............so before you start proclaiming Sachin as greater than any batsman ever to play the game maybe you can get a brain for yourself.

i posted that also above ,

care to read it properly and fully ?
 

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
I already said that one of Tendulkar's greatest attributes has been his ability to sustain an incredible record over a long period of time. But I don't think we should start believing that he stood head and shoulders above all modern batsmen because he doesn't. His always been amongst a pack
Saying it again and again does not make it true.

He is clearly above everyone else in terms of the combination of his records.
 

smash84

The Tiger King
i posted that also above ,

care to read it properly and fully ?
so??? your table only proves that Tendulkar has the highest number of centuries in losing causes. Even as percentage Ricky Ponting, Anwar, Inzy, probably have a higher percentage. I don't quite get what you are trying to hint at????
 

GotSpin

Hall of Fame Member
Saying it again and again does not make it true.

He is clearly above everyone else in terms of the combination of his records.
My issues is with the suggestion that Tendulkar is head and shoulders above other batsmen...not that he's above. You're welcome to believe he is but it's wrong IMO. He's only just recently (last few years) reasserted himself at the top of the pack. His records are clearly associated with length of career, which I've already given him immense credit for, but that doesn't make him a vastly superior player.
 
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centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
My issues is with the suggestion that Tendulkar is head and shoulders above other batsmen...not that he's above. You're welcome to believe he is but it's wrong IMO. He's only just recently (last few years) reasserted himself at the top of the pack
But he was at the top till 03.
However, I agree that he's not head and shoulders above the others.
 

GotSpin

Hall of Fame Member
But he was at the top till 03.
However, I agree that he's not head and shoulders above the others.
That's why I said he reasserted himself in recent times following the dramatic decline of Ponting.

Even when he was at the top he was never far ahead though. I believe a guy called Brian Lara played a few handy knocks too.
 

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
All of these are a function of being good and longevity.

And his centuries in winning causes aren't that great.....

and tbf he wasn't that great against mcgrath and 2Ws( whom he didn't play too often)
Not a good post.

1. He's still avgeraging over 55 (close to 57) after scoring approx 15K runs. You know what normally happens to a player's avg as he plays beyond the age of 35/36 ?? (as he tries to just keep playing on and on- it goes down).

2. Winning doesn't depend on 1 individual. There are 10 other players in the team India never had good enough bowlers to win them games and their batting was avg till the turn of the millenium.

3. SO who exactly had a Great record against Mcgrath? He rarely played the W's so no point bringing them up.

THis annoys me- How would a truly great bowler (Mcgrath) be a All time Great, if a great batsmen (Tendulkar or lara) had an outstanding record against him.

Batting Greats don't tend to dominate the bowling greats, vice versa.
It's like Nadal v Federer v Djokovic (maybe).

- He has close to 20 90's as well in ODI's btw.
 

centurymaker

Cricketer Of The Year
That's why I said he reasserted himself in recent times following the dramatic decline of Ponting.

Even when he was at the top he was never far ahead though. I believe a guy called Brian Lara played a few handy knocks too.
sorry, I didn't notice the "re"asserted.
People almost had him down as teh 2nd best bat ever before he lost his touch.

edit- IMO there was a big enough gap between Lara and Tendulakr.
Half of Lara's 100s (16) came in his last 4 years (03-06), which coincided with Tendulkar's decline.
 
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