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*Official* Match 5 - England v Netherlands
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Kylez
State Vice-Captain
Apparently Mark Jonkman was reported to have a suspect bowling action a few months ago. I don't know what the end up verdict was though.
TT Boy
Hall of Fame Member
Still be a decent replacement for Colly and I would take him Ravi, Yardy, Wright et cetera. But I don't think RTD has any ambition of playing for England, especially with the IPL deal he just inked and with his 31st birthday approaching. He said during the 2007 WC that he wanted to represent South Africa but that boat has surely sailed too.
Tremendous batting display by the Dutch. As I said yesterday they have got the batting but their bowling is completely popgun and probably the worst of the associates, no pace, no decent spinner, just trundlers.
These sort of games work best when the minnow bats first. Saves 350+ totals being scored and 200 run defeats from occurring. Even though England were never troubled in their chase it at least feels like the WC has begun now.
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outbreak
First Class Debutant
Thanks, i thought that was like 6 months ago, thought i'd seen him playing in other ICC cup matches since then and assumed he was cleared. Maybe it's still that keeping him out.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Haha, touche.
As for the txt, I replied as soon as I got yours but I did have crap signal all days. I'd apologise if you weren't a.......( )
BoyBrumby
Englishman
Has a 38.8 degree flexion on his bouncer. Must be one of the worst actions ever. It's like those news reports of the drunk driver: "Over two and a half times over the legal limit"
Burgey
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Asleep?
Stapel
International Regular
Darn, after 46 overs I really figured we had England on the brink of defeat. They needed over 8 runs an over. That is more than they managed in 2009's T20 during the last 3 overs. But then we had Nannes. And thta's it, we really were one or two fine bowlers short 
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) was sitting in a pub in The Hague yesterday. As was Lord's T20 hero Schiferli. In the end, we lacked such bowlers to really put England on the backfoot in the last 5 overs.
As other have said, Mark Jonkman bends his elbow a tad bit too much. If I'm not mistaken, his brother has the same problem.
.He (well, it might have been his brother
) was sitting in a pub in The Hague yesterday. As was Lord's T20 hero Schiferli. In the end, we lacked such bowlers to really put England on the backfoot in the last 5 overs.As other have said, Mark Jonkman bends his elbow a tad bit too much. If I'm not mistaken, his brother has the same problem.
One thing you should realise is that in The Netherlands itself and in associate matches, players and their actions are not even nearly as much debated, reviewed, monitored, suspended or altered as in Full Member's own backyard. I'm pretty sure Jonkman's action would have been addressed 5 years earlier, would he have been English. That's not an excuse, but simply an aspect of a sport that is only played by 5000 people (including women and expats).
Stapel
International Regular
Actually, that is excellent! As a batsman, he consequently scores more runs per wicket than he concedes runs per wicket as a bowler in all formats. Very very few players manage that in the England domestic competitions.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
Just because his batting is higher than his bowling there's still no clear position he could take in a top International side - he's not that regular (or good enough) a bowler to be even a 5th bowler and his batting isn't good enough to be a top order batsman. A bits and pieces pick of the 90s maybe, but not nowadays.
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Definitely looked better than a bits and pieces cricketer to me TBH. Better (or atleast no worse) than Collingwood as a bowler and a proper batsman as well. Not sure what he would average if he batted for one of the top nations playing mostly Test teams, but I'd estimate atleast 35. Hard to say on such a small sample though.
four_or_six
Cricketer Of The Year
His List A batting for Essex has been really good the last few seasons (averages 2008 - 43, 2009 - 48, 2010 - 54). You'd have thought that if he'd been English he may have had a chance.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
Please don't think I was having a pop at the Dutch system, I think you chaps work wonders to be as competitive as you are given the minority status of the sport over there. I was just surprised the mean reading was so far over the tolerance limit.
It's not like we're without form in that regard either, I always reserved my doubts about James Kirtley's action, hyperextension notwithstanding.
Lack of Englishness not usually that much of an impediment to selection, tbf.
four_or_six
Cricketer Of The Year
I didn't mean that kind of English... just in the sense of wanting to play for us rather than SA.Lack of Englishness not usually that much of an impediment to selection, tbf.
TT Boy
Hall of Fame Member
You think? Albie is the better bowler, was at a time a genuine international class seamer and I don't think there is much between them with the bat. Just that Albie's never been given the opportunities up the order for South Africa. If RTD was available to South Africa he would be batting in the same position as Albie (7) and I know who I would take there.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
I'd guess he is. He'd have to give up his "domestic" status at Essex, but it's been done before: McLaren, Rudolph & Harris off the top of my head.