smash84
The Tiger King
Are we talking about some 17 year olds??????
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"No i will not have any trouble facing Marshall."
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Maximus0723
State Regular
thisin your opinion.
There are more rose tinted glass arguments in favour of marshall, imo. Mcgrath was the best at dismissing the best batsmen of the opposition and carried on for longer. I'm not letting a few decimal points and speedometer readings get in the way of rating him the greatest ever. its always amusing how the pitches turn into bowlers' paradises when discussing the 80's batsmen, but not when discussing the 80s bowlers. Vive la nostalgia.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
The point about skill is.. with stats you can come to your conclusions on who went well but a rating on skill level is more likely to tell you who is more likely to succeed in the future..
Sachin averaging junk amount in the first 3 years he opened and having no scored no centuries never let anyone doubt the fact that he was goiing to be gun in ODIs as an opener, did it?
smash84
The Tiger King
The big inswinger was Imran's best delivery. There were very few (if any) who could bring the ball back so much at such pace........
weldone
Hall of Fame Member
I am a big fan of Malcolm Marshall, but I get very angry when I see him getting God-like treatment in CW most of the times. Many CW posters speak like Marshall was the best bowler in the world by a Bradmanesque distance. However, I get equally angry when I see Lillee get similar treatment outside of CW, most of the times.
When he played in an West Indian side, he was another great bowler intially like Roberts, then like Garner or Holding and later like Ambrose. Whether he was better than all of them is debatable, but what is not debatable at all is the fact that he was not better than even one of them by a HUUGE margin. Marshall was not the '190 kmph bowler from Pluto who can bowl banana inswing and banana outswing in the same delivery that starts with the trajectory of a toe-crushing yorker and ends up being a bouncer' type bowler that every new teenage member of CW is constantly forced to dream of.
When he played in an West Indian side, he was another great bowler intially like Roberts, then like Garner or Holding and later like Ambrose. Whether he was better than all of them is debatable, but what is not debatable at all is the fact that he was not better than even one of them by a HUUGE margin. Marshall was not the '190 kmph bowler from Pluto who can bowl banana inswing and banana outswing in the same delivery that starts with the trajectory of a toe-crushing yorker and ends up being a bouncer' type bowler that every new teenage member of CW is constantly forced to dream of.
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bagapath
International Captain
and me, eric clapton.
weldone
Hall of Fame Member
...precisely what Teja said....were you agreeing or disagreeing?
In other words, stats is more important than skill if you are comparing Richard Hadlee to Dennis Lillee...but skill is more important when you are comparing Cheteshwar Pujara to Virat Kohli.
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Migara
International Coach
I had watched the match live. Tendulkar was clobbering them little later. The onslaught was started by de Silva, who went after McGrath, then Donald and later sent Kumble out of the attack. Then SRT took over taking them apart. That was attacking batting of highest calibre.
smash84
The Tiger King
yeah they show the scorecard towards the end of the match with De Silva out on 82 and Sachin out on 125........De Silva WAG.......
Incidentally those Imran in-swingers are pretty cool at the start of the vid.....haven't seen other bowlers move it off the seam like that
ankitj
Hall of Fame Member
And now I can also remember that there was some hype built up before the match, with it being touted as Tendulkar vs the best of the rest, and whether he will score a hundred. That's how the match was being promoted. Incredibly, he scored a good hundred.
Remember watching it with another die-hard cricket fan friend of mine.
ankitj
Hall of Fame Member
That is one fantastic rant, Teja. Considering you are only 17, you must be a whizkid
Teja covered that in his post tbh. He did say that 'skill' may be useful in predicting how a cricketer will do in future, but means nothing when the careers are over. Then, all you have is your achievements. Call them 'mere stats' disparagingly, or call them facts if that helps you take the argument seriously, but that is what matters when it's all over.
robelinda
International Vice-Captain
Hey? I uploaded about 20 videos in the last week.
Blaze 18
Banned
I see, my bad then. I thought you weren't uploading as many videos these days because of some users constantly annoying you on youtube.
actually, no, he did very very well since he started opening.Right from the first match he started opening, 82 from 49 balls against NZ on a seaming track, a brilliant knock !
averaged 48.8 @ ~ 90 S/R in 1994
averaged 40.3 at @ 101.3 S/R in 1995
averaged 53.7 @ 82.44 S/R in 1996
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...4;spanval2=span;template=results;type=batting
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smash84
The Tiger King
Please do
Spark
Global Moderator
Not particularly useful when it comes to talking about two players who have both retired then, is it?
MrIncredible
U19 Cricketer
Wow one week Viv is overated, then another Sobers. Now people calling Malcolm Marshall's greatness
into question? If there is one WI player whose status should never come into dispute its the great
Macko. The most complete record of ne fast bowler and capable (as evidenced by his all round
success) of bowling ne where (ala Mcgrath). Maybe Marshall was somewhat past his best in 1991, but
another contributing factor towards his retirement was WI politics at that time. Dont think he was too
motivated to play under Richie Richardson, when many thought his countryman Haynes should have
gotten the knod. Also, Marshall as the senior bowler was somewhat gettin slighted for the up and
coming Bishop and Ambrose who were at times prefered for the new ball, even though Marshall was
senior. People need to get their facts straight b4 they start running their mouths.
into question? If there is one WI player whose status should never come into dispute its the great
Macko. The most complete record of ne fast bowler and capable (as evidenced by his all round
success) of bowling ne where (ala Mcgrath). Maybe Marshall was somewhat past his best in 1991, but
another contributing factor towards his retirement was WI politics at that time. Dont think he was too
motivated to play under Richie Richardson, when many thought his countryman Haynes should have
gotten the knod. Also, Marshall as the senior bowler was somewhat gettin slighted for the up and
coming Bishop and Ambrose who were at times prefered for the new ball, even though Marshall was
senior. People need to get their facts straight b4 they start running their mouths.