*Official* England in Australia (2 T20 & 7 ODIs)

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Yes, you'd have to get 10 out of Colly, KP, Trott but I'd back those 3 to be close to what Yardy turns out at the moment.

Precisely. We're on the same wavelength here.

 

[Burgey]

Well I did mention just that about Bell. And I did also say that Collingwood merits a place. What I disagreed on was that Trott was of no benefit to the side and a poor ODI batsman. Specifically classed with Prior, who's a very poor ODI batsman.

Yeah, Collingwood bowling 10 isn't ideal, but I can't see him going worse than Yardy usually does these days. If England are content with 10-0-50odd-1, then might as well get more value with the bat from that spot.

I haven't yet seen Trott seriously change the tempo of an innings. You know, chasing a big score and losing a couple early, and go on to lead a big chase - can he do that?

I'm not saying he can't, and he may well have done it, but I haven't seen him do it yet.

Edit: and it's a big GAGF* to Fox Sports for showing the Adelaide teat during a rain break in this SA v India ODI.

















*15 demerits points I suppose

 

[Woodster]

Haven't seen loads of this ODI series yet, so am currently making my way through the extended highlights shows.

Read a lot on here on the best line-up for England, and the best players to select in order get the balance right, I'm currently not sure which way I prefer us to go.

Like the idea of six batsmen, Prior at seven, and four specialist bowlers, using Trott, KP and Colly to combine for the fifth bowler. At this moment probably my favoured option.

Alternatively shunting Prior up to open, despite his poor record up there, would allow a bowling all-rounder to some in at seven and give us more alternatives with the ball. Will Prior give us more opening than perhaps a Bell or Trott ? Probably not really, and would Yardy and Wright add a great deal to us as the fifth bowlers ? Not massively, and not enough to not include Trott or Colly. The thing that goes for this option though is the fact we'd have Broad, Swann, Bresnan to follow to allow for a weaker batsmen in the top 7. Could we use Bresnan at 7 ?

 

[NUFAN]

I would be tempted to have 5 genuine bowlers and the backup being Collingwood.

Strauss Bell KP Collingwood Morgan Prior Bresnan Broad Swann Shahzad Anderson.

I can understand if people think I'm a batsman short.

 

[marc71178]

Precisely. We're on the same wavelength here.

Quite bizarre that independently of each other Marcuss and I both picked the same 11 (even if he got the batting order wrong)

 

[Burgey]

Haven't seen loads of this ODI series yet, so am currently making my way through the extended highlights shows.

Read a lot on here on the best line-up for England, and the best players to select in order get the balance right, I'm currently not sure which way I prefer us to go.

Like the idea of six batsmen, Prior at seven, and four specialist bowlers, using Trott, KP and Colly to combine for the fifth bowler. At this moment probably my favoured option.

Alternatively shunting Prior up to open, despite his poor record up there, would allow a bowling all-rounder to some in at seven and give us more alternatives with the ball. Will Prior give us more opening than perhaps a Bell or Trott ? Probably not really, and would Yardy and Wright add a great deal to us as the fifth bowlers ? Not massively, and not enough to not include Trott or Colly. The thing that goes for this option though is the fact we'd have Broad, Swann, Bresnan to follow to allow for a weaker batsmen in the top 7. Could we use Bresnan at 7 ?

Might be dangerous leaving yourselves a bowler short in the subcontinent though. It's tricky.

 

[TumTum]

Still don't understand what Smith is doing in the team. He can't bat and it looks like Clarke is treating him like a partnership breaker with only 2 overs per match. His fielding is the only thing keeping him in the team.

 

[Bun]

England's one day team is still very much a work in progress. Tell me it was a joke to open with Prior. Absolute rubbish.

 

[social]

Wow just saw a quick reel of Marsh' innings. What type of player is he? Do you expect that sort of thing from him?

IMO, he is technically and talent-wise by far the best of the young Aussie bats but simply hasnt scored heavily enough to warrant inclusion in the test team as this is the first season where he has scored consistently heavily in all forms of the game

However, IIRC he is the quickest Aussie in history to 1000 odi runs and his omission from the WC squad to allow the inclusion of a second keeper was nothing short of a sick joke

Anyway, I reckon the English made a big mistake by trying to tie him down by bowling at his leg stump.

He is a very good attacking player through the off side but you are also far more likely to get him out nicking to the slips/keeper

 

[Debris]

Still don't understand what Smith is doing in the team. He can't bat and it looks like Clarke is treating him like a partnership breaker with only 2 overs per match. His fielding is the only thing keeping him in the team.

They are looking towards the world cup where his batting and bowling will be much more useful. Neither team really gives a stuff about this series except as preparation for the world cup.

Anyway, didn't Jonty Rhodes make an entire career out of being a decent fieldsman.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I'd say 6000 runs, mostly scored in the 1990s is just about pulling your weight.

 

[Uppercut]

I haven't yet seen Trott seriously change the tempo of an innings. You know, chasing a big score and losing a couple early, and go on to lead a big chase - can he do that?

I'm not saying he can't, and he may well have done it, but I haven't seen him do it yet.

He's only played 13 ODIs. Did something a bit like that opening against South Africa though.

 

[Uppercut]

Might be dangerous leaving yourselves a bowler short in the subcontinent though. It's tricky.

England are a bit lacking in a Plan C too. It's not like India where everyone and their granny bowls a bit of part-time spin and if your fifth bowler (or any of the others) is having a poor day you can bring on Yuvraj/Raina/Sehwag/Rohit instead. If one of the English bowlers is having an off-day, KP/Trott have to make up for it, and they're crap.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Bell IMO. Flintoff 2.0.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

And I don't think Raina and Rohit are much better than Pietersen and Trott, if at all.

 

[Jarquis]

52 wickets @ 26.03
25 wickets @ 38.76
Guess the players

 

[GIMH]

Jimmy has returned to the squad, don't think he's playing tomorrow though

 

[NUFAN]

England are a bit lacking in a Plan C too. It's not like India where everyone and their granny bowls a bit of part-time spin and if your fifth bowler (or any of the others) is having a poor day you can bring on Yuvraj/Raina/Sehwag/Rohit instead. If one of the English bowlers is having an off-day, KP/Trott have to make up for it, and they're crap.

This is why Collingwood is a MUST during the World Cup. Either Yardy or Bresnan might have to bat at 7, which would be fine if a few of the batsman valued their wicket a bit more.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

52 wickets @ 26.03
25 wickets @ 38.76
Guess the players

Trott and Raina. What do I win?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

This is why Collingwood is a MUST during the World Cup. Either Yardy or Bresnan might have to bat at 7, which would be fine if a few of the batsman valued their wicket a bit more.

I don't see how having Yardy in the team is fine when he's not contributing with the ball.

Of course now he's going to have a brilliant World Cup...