Vettori steps down from captaincy

[Andre]

Yep, six is his spot. Franklin for all his supposed promise, is hopeless. Vettori does the job he is good at with the ball, but at best he hopes to go for under 2 an over, and has no wicket taking ability.

Reckon Vettori at 7 makes a lot of sense with the keeper at 8. Can't see many of the keepers (outside of McCullum) used by NZ of late making Test hundreds like Vettori so I'd bat the keeper at 8. 6 seems a touch high for him.

 

[Athlai]

Reckon the whole Vettori-Franklin debate is a bit silly tbh if you're talking about who should bat 6. The biggest problem with our bowling isn't Vettori (who does take wickets albeit only in the first innings) but with the other 3 strike bowlers. Martin has been decent, Southee has shown promise but failed to deliver and the third option still remains entirely open.

We can't possibly be fathoming a team that has Vettori as the 5th bowling option when we can't even field 3 proper bowlers to play beside him.

 

[_Ed_]

Pick a captain who won't jump on the defensive faster than a challenged fundamentalist.

 

[Flem274*]

Reckon the whole Vettori-Franklin debate is a bit silly tbh if you're talking about who should bat 6. The biggest problem with our bowling isn't Vettori (who does take wickets albeit only in the first innings) but with the other 3 strike bowlers. Martin has been decent, Southee has shown promise but failed to deliver and the third option still remains entirely open.

We can't possibly be fathoming a team that has Vettori as the 5th bowling option when we can't even field 3 proper bowlers to play beside him.

We need all the bowling we can get. Four man attack with Vettori means three strike bowlers of dubious strikepower as things stand.

Maybe when the young guns are established in the side we can go with three seamers plus Vettori (though Vettori may well be in his mid 30s by then), but not now.

It's also a waste having Vettori batting with the tail. His batting could do so much more damage at six compared with eight. His main batting partners atm are Franklin, Young and Southee. One is a bowler and the other two are hardly established, though Young looks a good batsman. Get Vettori in with Taylor, Ryder et al at the wicket.

 

[Howsie]

Reckon Vettori at 7 makes a lot of sense with the keeper at 8. Can't see many of the keepers (outside of McCullum) used by NZ of late making Test hundreds like Vettori so I'd bat the keeper at 8. 6 seems a touch high for him.

I don't think anyone would argue that Vettori isn't a better batsmen then any New Zealand keeper that isn't named Brendon McCullum, but Vettori's very adept at batting with the tail and players like Reece Young have had most of there batting success at the domestic level batting in the middle order. The last thing you need is someone who is trying to prove themself with the bat at this level coming in and having to bat with the tail a good percentage of the time, especially when it hasn't been a feature of there game at the lower level.

 

[Athlai]

Dropkins really didn't look remotely comfortable batting with the tail, Young has batted a fair amount at 3 and I'd imagine he may like it even less.

Vettori IMO has developed his game around batting with McCullum, Oram and the tail. I don't think he'd score anymore runs at #6 than he would at #8.

 

[Flem274*]

I do.

 

[Bahnz]

Dropkins really didn't look remotely comfortable batting with the tail, Young has batted a fair amount at 3 and I'd imagine he may like it even less.

Vettori IMO has developed his game around batting with McCullum, Oram and the tail. I don't think he'd score anymore runs at #6 than he would at #8.

Yeah, Vettori seems to get altitude sickness when he gets pushed too high up the order.

I kind of agree with Flem. Vettori isn't a good enough wicket taker for us to only go with 3 other real bowling options. But he's also struggled at number 6 in both tests and odi's, so I'm not sure if that's the answer either

 

[Flem274*]

Yeah, Vettori seems to get altitude sickness when he gets pushed too high up the order.

I kind of agree with Flem. Vettori isn't a good enough wicket taker for us to only go with 3 other real bowling options. But he's also struggled at number 6 in both tests and odi's, so I'm not sure if that's the answer either

Young six, Vettori 7. Comprimise.

EDIT: Made a good go of his last stint at six. Has at least one century there.

 

[Bahnz]

Young six, Vettori 7. Comprimise.

EDIT: Made a good go of his last stint at six. Has at least one century there.

Meh...30 isn't great for a number 6, and he definately struggled against India and Australia last year when batting above number 8. Leaves the middle order too thin imo.

EDIT: Actually, just had a look at the scoresheets from that Australia series, and he actually didn't do to bad (couple of scores at Wellington). OK, maybe then. But the new bowler would have to be able to bat as well (which would probably mean one of either NcCullum, Mills, Astle or Bracewell).

 

[Days of Grace]

Meh...30 isn't great for a number 6

It`s ****ing brilliant for a New Zealand no.6

 

[Hurricane]

Thanks Captain Dan

Would bat Dan at 7 and Young at 8. Arnel looked good when we first played him but seems to have lost his movement. Or maybe just hasn't played on helpful pitches recently.

 

[Craig]

One bone I have to pick about Vettori's captaincy is not being able to finish team's off. I mean fair enough if Tendulkar blasts a couple of hundreds against you, but Harbhajan to do it twice, and Jerome Taylor to do the same? This was also a problem with Fleming's captaincy as well, but you would think Vettori has played enough cricket to work out on how to get the tail out.

 

[Spark]

A lot of international captains have real trouble bowling the tail out tbf.

 

[Craig]

Doesn't mean I don't find it any less irritating. I can't just blame Vettori for New Zealand's woes, but the team seems to have actually regressed lately.

 

[vcs]

One bone I have to pick about Vettori's captaincy is not being able to finish team's off. I mean fair enough if Tendulkar blasts a couple of hundreds against you, but Harbhajan to do it twice, and Jerome Taylor to do the same? This was also a problem with Fleming's captaincy as well, but you would think Vettori has played enough cricket to work out on how to get the tail out.

The first time you were a bowler short, and the second time you weren't pushing for a win, you were just trying to restrict the first innings lead. The match would have ended in a draw regardless.

 

[Blaze 18]

I have always had great respect for Daniel Vettori. He gives his hundred percent on the field and plays fair - not something that can be said for too many players. I don't particularly rate him all that highly as a bowler, but his contribution to New Zealand cricket is undeniable. It isn't really his fault that New Zealand didn't win a lot of matches under him, a captain can only work with what he is given. Only time will tell if his decision was the correct one or not. Who is next in line ? Ross Taylor might be worth considering.

 

[BeeGee]

I see Ross Taylor as the only option for captain.
Please, please, please NOT McCullum. He's a "me, me, me, it's all about me" type. If McCullum is made captain he will never keep again in any format and he'll be constantly at war with the coach.

 

[Uppercut]

You can't really blame Vettori for the failings of his bowlers, but the fact that he's now so obviously realised that they're not good enough is holding back the team. A bit of misplaced confidence would do them a lot of good when it comes to finishing off matches from winning positions.

 

[Bahnz]

Doesn't mean I don't find it any less irritating. I can't just blame Vettori for New Zealand's woes, but the team seems to have actually regressed lately.

Of course it has. Last season, our two fastest and best bowlers retired at the exact same time, and there we no one available who could come even close to replacing them. It was always going to be a very hard 12 months. With the exception of the catastrophic final session on day 3 at Hamilton, I've actually been quietly pleased with how things have gone.