*Official* Fifth Test at the SCG

[JBH001]

Seriously, can anyone explain to me how that situation differs from Roach's in Perth two years ago where the umpire's decision stood? Bear in mind I'm only following the CI feed.

The decision was not overturned by the 3rd umpire, T_C.

Dar chose to change his original decision when Hill told him there was no evidence supporting his decision. I thought it was out myself, in real time, and think Dar should have backed himself and stuck with his original call rather than requiring corroboration from the available technology.

 

[four_or_six]

Saying on the ABC that batsmen are starting to do just that, with really faint nicks.

Weren't there comments at some point about applying something to the edges of bats to make it less likely for something to show up on hotspot?

 

[Mike5181]

This has got to be the luckiest team innings i have ever seen.....how many times has a player been out/nearly been out....becoming ridiculous...killing any chance of a contest IMO.

 

[Zinzan]

So does anybody know what Bell and Cook's First Chance Averages's are now?

Lol, we haven't done 'FC averages' for approximately 6 months, funny that

 

[TumTum]

Nah, it's not quite as clear-cut as you're making out Bench

An edge from a bat makes a sharp and instantaneous line, whilst something softer is a wider and smaller line.

 

[Zinzan]

This has got to be the luckiest team innings i have ever seen.....how many times has a player been out/nearly been out....becoming ridiculous...killing any chance of a contest IMO.

They have been lucky granted, funny how good sides always seem to have more luck though.

 

[hazsa19]

The decision was not overturned by the 3rd umpire, T_C.

Dar chose to change his original decision when Hill told him there was no evidence supporting his decision. I thought it was out myself, in real time, and think Dar should have backed himself and stuck with his original call rather than requiring corroboration from the available technology.

Imagine the stick he would have got had snicko then showed no nick.

 

[Top_Cat]

The decision was not overturned by the 3rd umpire, T_C.

Dar chose to change his original decision when Hill told him there was no evidence supporting his decision. I thought it was out myself, in real time, and think Dar should have backed himself and stuck with his original call rather than requiring corroboration from the available technology.

If so, that's ridiculous. I was under the obviously mistaken impression that if either side called for a review, it was taken out of the on-field umpire's hands. If not, this sort of thing undermines the whole process surely?

 

[Burgey]

Hmm a bit strange from C9. I'm pretty sure that Bell doesn't think feel he's hit it.

Somewhat reminiscent of a Clarke review in Hobart last year where there was a noise but no hot-spot. In that case though the noise just came out of nowhere...

No, no. We must interpret facial expressions as negatively as possible against players. You have to when it's a catching issue, apparently, so we should assume from his confused, uncertain look that Bell knew he hit it and is doing nothing more than cheating in referring it.

That was the 11.30 am logic. Let's apply it at 4.00 pm.

 

[Zinzan]

An edge from a bat makes a sharp and instantaneous line, whilst something softer is a wider and smaller line.

I was meaning with the naked ear as opposed to 'snicko'

 

[Spark]

Imagine the stick he would have got had snicko then showed no nick.

If so then he probably wouldn't have given it out in the first place...

 

[benchmark00]

Nah, it's not quite as clear-cut as you're making out Bench

I'm not going to pretend I know the process required to bring snicko up etc, but for me it's the most reliable piece of technology for establishing whether there's an edge or not. Hot spot, although looking fancy and all that, is absolutely flawed, and for mine, it's best application is merely showing whether or not a bastman has middled it completely or not.

 

[Spark]

Hot Spot for mine is being taken as the be-all-and-end-all of determining edges when it's been clear right from the start of its use for mine that it doesn't pick up faint edges.

 

[hazsa19]

This has got to be the luckiest team innings i have ever seen.....how many times has a player been out/nearly been out....becoming ridiculous...killing any chance of a contest IMO.

Looked like any other big first innings score on helpful bowling pitch to me.

Australia have had just as much luck imo, but the English bowlers are creating chance after chance after chance.

 

[hazsa19]

If so then he probably wouldn't have given it out in the first place...

You're not wrong.

 

[Spark]

Looked like any other big first innings score on helpful bowling pitch to me.

Australia have had just as much luck imo, but the English bowlers are creating chance after chance after chance.

To be fairly clearly out and be given not out under DRS is incredibly lucky IMO.

 

[vic_orthdox]

I'm not going to pretend I know the process required to bring snicko up etc, but for me it's the most reliable piece of technology for establishing whether there's an edge or not. Hot spot, although looking fancy and all that, is absolutely flawed, and for mine, it's best application is merely showing whether or not a bastman has middled it completely or not.

I'm not sold on snicko being the most reliable, but surely you want to give the 3rd umpire the greatest amount of information to make his decision. Sometimes snicko may not help, sometimes it will - so use it.

 

[Spark]

Hell, at least give him the stump mic feed so he can see if there's a noise.

 

[four_or_six]

I'm not sold on snicko being the most reliable, but surely you want to give the 3rd umpire the greatest amount of information to make his decision. Sometimes snicko may not help, sometimes it will - so use it.

I think the issue is it takes ~5mins to get snicko up for some reason.

 

[hazsa19]

No, no. We must interpret facial expressions as negatively as possible against players. You have to when it's a catching issue, apparently, so we should assume from his confused, uncertain look that Bell knew he hit it and is doing nothing more than cheating in referring it.

That was the 11.30 am logic. Let's apply it at 4.00 pm.

Only a few of the more excitable English observers called it cheating. I would call it youthful exuberance. It must be tough to tell your desperate team-mates it didn't carry.

As for Bell I reckon he was genuinely confused; you don't always know if you've nicked it. I once started to walk for a thin edge, then I head the keeper saying I had hit the ground, so I turned back to see the umpire had his finger up; probably because of my misguided walking