*Official* Third Test at the WACA

[vicleggie]

hard won, over many years.

very much agree. absolutely. But (im a proud Aussie too) the experienced campaigners at my local cricket club can see that this may not be the same type of personnel we're dealing with at the moment, as the brilliant ones that deservedly won this reputation.

 

[vicleggie]

Well mate, as someone who's followed the Australian team since about 1975 I think I'm pretty well au fait with the ups and downs of it all, actually. But please feel free to educate me on my own attitude from having done so.

It's 1-0. If you don't think a decent enough bowling performance here can go a long way towards levelling up the series, then I think you've misread the scoreline.

ofcourse i think that a decent bowling performance, along with a batting performance BETTER than the previous 3 performances thrown up by this Australian team, may be enough to level the series.

I'm not necessarily knocking your attitude. I just think it's a shame that our current players seem to have lost it,and aren't playing accordingly. Greg Blewett said last night he was at the WACA, and could see clearly that the Aussie aura had been lost, and it made him sad.

Yes, a good performance here may level the series, we're not out of it. But the ball is on Aus racket. England are doing everything right up till now, will take a mammoth change in attitude on both sides for us to defeat them from this position in this test

 

[howardj]

very much agree. absolutely. But (im a proud Aussie too) the experienced campaigners at my local cricket club can see that this may not be the same type of personnel we're dealing with at the moment, as the brilliant ones that deservedly won this reputation.

We're better than this though seriously. I mean, 18 months ago we beat the best team in the world in their own backyard (SA in SA). Now, whilst that doesn't guarantee world domination for the next decade, it does show that we're a good cricket team with largely the same personnel as we had back then.

Against that performance, it's not acceptable what we've served up in Adelaide and now in Perth. In Adelaide, you win the toss, 30 degrees, blue sky, on a feather bed...and then you find yourself in the field that afternoon? Not good enough. The transition period ended in South Africa in 2009. Right now, it's just **** performances, it's not that we're in transition.

 

[andyc]

Does it seem odd to anyone else that Beer isn't even 12th man for the Aussies now? He's playing in the shield match that just started today.

The 12th man is often released so he can play for his state, tbh.

 

[Burgey]

very much agree. absolutely. But (im a proud Aussie too) the experienced campaigners at my local cricket club can see that this may not be the same type of personnel we're dealing with at the moment, as the brilliant ones that deservedly won this reputation.

That's right. Completely right. But you've got to back the blokes a bit. True theyve been woeful but they're not playing Clive Lloyd's 79-80 side (thank God). All I'm saying is the situation is not irredeemable.

 

[Spark]

Hell, not two months ago we came this close to drawing a series against India on their own turf. We are a much better side than this.

 

[howardj]

Hell, not two months ago we came this close to drawing a series against India on their own turf. We are a much better side than this.

Exactly mate.

I'm not expecting world domination, just that a line in the sand was drawn in SA in 2009, and India 2010....and now with largely the same personnel, we are falling way below that standard.

 

[Athlai]

India can't bowl.

England can.

 

[Son Of Coco]

India can't bowl.

England can.

India can bat though.

All of a sudden we can't bowl. India also go alright with the ball at home.

 

[vicleggie]

That's right. Completely right. But you've got to back the blokes a bit. Truce been woeful but they're not playing Clive Lloyd's 79-80 side (thank God). All I'm saying is the situation is not irredeemable.

The 'blokes'(usingthatterm loosely) like clarke should be able to back themselvesup a bit more,as well. What the hell has he been doing since the first innings in the Brisbane test when he got out to a short ball. He did the exact same thing yesterday. Hasn't he spend countless ridiculous hours facing that and perfecting his mental and physical approach to that kind of delivery, to a tee? He looked like he had no idea.

The champions that you, me and the whole of Australia enjoyed, like Warne, Mcgrath, Hayden, Langer were made through hard ass preparation and being utter perfectionists. If Hayden got out to a stroke he thought he shouldnt have played, hed sit infront of the pitch the next day like a buddhist for hours, visualising how he should have played.

Support from the crowd is needed, but these metrosexuals need to put in the hard grind to master their respective skills of their craft. England surely have.

 

[Spark]

The 'blokes'(usingthatterm loosely) like clarke should be able to back themselvesup a bit more,as well. What the hell has he been doing since the first innings in the Brisbane test when he got out to a short ball. He did the exact same thing yesterday. Hasn't he spend countless ridiculous hours facing that and perfecting his mental and physical approach to that kind of delivery, to a tee? He looked like he had no idea.

The champions that you, me and the whole of Australia enjoyed, like Warne, Mcgrath, Hayden, Langer were made through hard ass preparation and being utter perfectionists. If Hayden got out to a stroke he thought he shouldnt have played, hed sit infront of the pitch the next day like a buddhist for hours, visualising how he should have played.

Support from the crowd is needed, but these metrosexuals need to put in the hard grind to master their respective skills of their craft. England surely have.

Clarke from all reports spends a lot of time in the nets. He's out of form pure and simple. He's been getting out to the short ball a bit but his front foot play hasn't looked particularly flash either.

 

[outbreak]

The 12th man is often released so he can play for his state, tbh.

thanks, i'd never noticed this before guess most days Australia play i'm watching there game not following state matches.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Horrible **** from Hughes. Didn't remember just how short he is.

Had a good chuckle when they went along the teams during the national anthem; Hughes was standing next to Mitchell Johnson. Made Hughes look like Danny De Vito had him covered for height.

 

[vicleggie]

India can't bowl.

England can.

india has about half the potency of england.

swann=harbhajan
anderson=zaheer

the rest, india dont compare.

but zaheer still rolled aus on a couple of occasions with the new ball, and harbhajan cleaned up the lower order, who showed little fight.

that was definately a sign that Aus were wilting. Now they have to face an attack twice as good. Its plain for everyone to see

 

[howardj]

I think the pride those guys (Warne, McGrath, Hayden, Gill, Langer) had was a big thing. They were burnt and humiliated after Ashes 2005. They were proud men who in response to that loss:

- Flogged the World XI
- Flogged SA 5-1 (2005/2006)
- Thrashed the Poms 5-0

That was the backlash from Ashes 2005.

Do the Aussies bleed as much these days when they lose?

I don't know, but it doesn't from the outside appear so.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Support from the crowd is needed, but these metrosexuals need to put in the hard grind to master their respective skills of their craft. England surely have.

That's not the issue though, as someone else said - Clarke has spent a lot of time in the nets. He's also performed against England (and other teams) in the past.

 

[vicleggie]

That's not the issue though, as someone else said - Clarke has spent a lot of time in the nets. He's also performed against England (and other teams) in the past.

if he puts in a lot of EFFECTIVE time and preparation, and is driven to fix this issue, one would think he'd look slightly more certain when he comes to the crease, than he does at the minute.

He can be a wonderful player, as the past has indicated. Not doubting that. Just don't know where he is at mentally now- is he trying to attack his shortcomings properly , and putting in the right type of training, or is he leaving it on the backburner and just hoping it will work out in the middle. Someone who spends so much time in the nets should at least look a little more assured than the previous time.

 

[Uppercut]

india has about half the potency of england.

swann=harbhajan
anderson=zaheer

the rest, india dont compare.

but zaheer still rolled aus on a couple of occasions with the new ball, and harbhajan cleaned up the lower order, who showed little fight.

that was definately a sign that Aus were wilting. Now they have to face an attack twice as good. Its plain for everyone to see

Mmm. Zaheer is only worth about half an Anderson, because he plays about half as much.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Unfair to judge someone's preparation without viewing the preparation.

 

[Son Of Coco]

if he puts in a lot of EFFECTIVE time and preparation, and is driven to fix this issue, one would think he'd look slightly more certain when he comes to the crease, than he does at the minute.

He can be a wonderful player, as the past has indicated. Not doubting that. Just don't know where he is at mentally now- is he trying to attack his shortcomings properly , and putting in the right type of training, or is he leaving it on the backburner and just hoping it will work out in the middle. Someone who spends so much time in the nets should at least look a little more assured than the previous time.

Think it's probably more a mental issue at the moment. The whole team looks like it's lacking confidence.