Jimmy Anderson -Finally World Class?

[Teja.]

yeah thats a more reasonable argument though if Anderson can average under 30 in Australia then the argument should clearly be in Anderson's favor.

Nah, It'd just be more balanced. Remember that Zaheer averaged 21.8 against Oz when no other bowler from both sides averaged below 30.

 

[Xuhaib]

Nah, It'd just be more balanced. Remember that Zaheer averaged 21.8 against Oz when no other bowler from both sides averaged below 30.

yeah but again Zaheer was bowling in conditions which played to his strength,Anderson is considered an average bowler when conditions does not aid swing and Aus is one place where swing bowlers struggle so a sub 30 average would be a great addition on his resume.

 

[r3alist]

Ask me in four weeks' time. His 2010 figures are stellar, but four games in really helpful conditions against a fragile Pakistan lineup plus another 2 or 3 against Bangladesh could make a lot of bowlers look world class. Some of us remember that he wasn't all that great in SA last winter and that he struggled for much of the 2009 Ashes series.

However, if he keeps bowling like he has done in thge first two tests in this series, then fair enough.

finally someone talks sense, i thought this place was meant to have knowledgable cricket fans.....

anyone can fill their boots up against pakistan and bangladesh.


its a nice little period for him but he needs another two years to shake off his past mediocrity, this is a guy who has either been bowling in helpful conditions or weak low confidence teams, and i include australia as such a team

 

[Shri]

Gun sledging.

 

[Furball]

finally someone talks sense, i thought this place was meant to have knowledgable cricket fans.....

anyone can fill their boots up against pakistan and bangladesh.


its a nice little period for him but he needs another two years to shake off his past mediocrity, this is a guy who has either been bowling in helpful conditions or weak low confidence teams, and i include australia as such a team

You can only beat what's in front of you.

End of the day, since his recall, only Mitchell Johnson has taken more Test wickets, no quick bowler has more 5fors. He's undoubtably one of the best around, arguably the best quick in the world after Steyn. Doesn't put him anywhere near ATG status, but that's not what's being argued.

 

[r3alist]

You can only beat what's in front of you.

End of the day, since his recall, only Mitchell Johnson has taken more Test wickets, no quick bowler has more 5fors. He's undoubtably one of the best around, arguably the best quick in the world after Steyn. Doesn't put him anywhere near ATG status, but that's not what's being argued.

if all you are beating are weak teams in helpful conditions that has to be taken into account.


an example which starkly highlighted anderson's vampire qualities were in the second innings, in the second test vs pak at birmingham - where for a brief-ish period the sun came out, conditions eased and the plucky but modestly talented haider was able to hit anderson around with complete comfort - i was genuinely wondering if this was the same bowler who tore apart pakistans batsmen


anderson was made to look completely ordinary, he only took 1 wicket in that innings and bowled 28 overs, why? because the conditions got harder and he played a batsmen in decent form - put anderson up against those two factors and you see his real worth...

 

[Furball]

if all you are beating are weak teams in helpful conditions that has to be taken into account.


an example which starkly highlighted anderson's vampire qualities were in the second innings, in the second test vs pak at birmingham - where for a brief-ish period the sun came out, conditions eased and the plucky but modestly talented haider was able to hit anderson around with complete comfort - i was genuinely wondering if this was the same bowler who tore apart pakistans batsmen


anderson was made to look completely ordinary, he only took 1 wicket in that innings and bowled 28 overs, why? because the conditions got harder and he played a batsmen in decent form - put anderson up against those two factors and you see his real worth...

My mistake, we'll ignore all evidence from the past 3 years because he took a while to dismiss Zulqairnin Haider.

 

[r3alist]

My mistake, we'll ignore all evidence from the past 3 years because he took a while to dismiss Zulqairnin Haider.

err yea, because thats exactly what i was saying

that example merely highlighted my point quite succinctly, that even when he was at the very height of his powers he ran into his coffin as soon as the sun came out


he is a bowling equivalent of a FTB, probably more extreme, i doubt you have any "evidence" that can seriously contradict this

 

[r3alist]

My mistake, we'll ignore all evidence from the past 3 years because he took a while to dismiss Zulqairnin Haider.

btw he never actually dismissed haider in that innings.

 

[Jacknife]

if all you are beating are weak teams in helpful conditions that has to be taken into account.


an example which starkly highlighted anderson's vampire qualities were in the second innings, in the second test vs pak at birmingham - where for a brief-ish period the sun came out, conditions eased and the plucky but modestly talented haider was able to hit anderson around with complete comfort - i was genuinely wondering if this was the same bowler who tore apart pakistans batsmen


anderson was made to look completely ordinary, he only took 1 wicket in that innings and bowled 28 overs, why? because the conditions got harder and he played a batsmen in decent form - put anderson up against those two factors and you see his real worth...

What, you mean where he had figures of 28 overs 1-62 going at 2.2 rpo, to say he looked completely ordinary and was get hit around is being disingenuous to say the least, obviously he wasn't as dominant as he had been during the previous games because that would be totally unrealistic on the conditions that day, but when he was going at just over 2 runs per over, he was obviously keeping it tight like the conditions sometimes dictate. It is obvious watching him bowl since Saker has become Bowling coach, that he has got Jimmy to tighten his line and length up because he rarely gets pulled or cut anymore and thus improved his confidence.

 

[Jacknife]

btw he never actually dismissed haider in that innings.

Didn't need to Swanny took 6

 

[r3alist]

What, you mean where he had figures of 28 overs 1-62 going at 2.2 rpo, to say he looked completely ordinary and was get hit around is being disingenuous to say the least, obviously he wasn't as dominant as he had been during the previous games because that would be totally unrealistic on the conditions that day, but when he was going at just over 2 runs per over, he was obviously keeping it tight like the conditions sometimes dictate. It is obvious watching him bowl since Saker has become Bowling coach, that he has got Jimmy to tighten his line and length up because he rarely gets pulled or cut anymore and thus improved his confidence.

saying he got hit around is probably a bit OTT, thats true.


but i watched the match, i saw him bowl, i say how easily he was dealt with, i saw how lifeless his bowling was, it merely confirmed what all honest judges know, in the absence of helpful conditions and weaker teams he is an ordinary trundler.

lets not remove the context, to do so would be disingenuous to the point of dishonest.

anderson was facing a team that was struggling to score about 150, was in fact trying hard to lose the match and playing in overcast conditions - and guess what? he looked ****hot, the shock


as soon as those factors reversed he became toothless, thats essentially my point

 

[Jacknife]

saying he got hit around is probably a bit OTT, thats true.


but i watched the match, i saw him bowl, i say how easily he was dealt with, i saw how lifeless his bowling was, it merely confirmed what all honest judges know, in the absence of helpful conditions and weaker teams he is an ordinary trundler.

lets not remove the context, to do so would be disingenuous to the point of dishonest.

anderson was facing a team that was struggling to score about 150, was in fact trying hard to lose the match and playing in overcast conditions - and guess what? he looked ****hot, the shock


as soon as those factors reversed he became toothless, thats essentially my point

By any chance are you a Pakistan supporter.
There is no context because what you are saying did not apply in the game you've highlighted.

 

[r3alist]

By any chance are you a Pakistan supporter.

you clearly have a command of the relevant points

 

[Jacknife]

you clearly have a command of the relevant points

You obviously have a agenda and are trying to make this situation fit.

 

[r3alist]

You obviously have a agenda and are trying to make this situation fit.

i would hope thats obvious

 

[ImpatientLime]

but i watched the match, i saw him bowl, i say how easily he was dealt with, i saw how lifeless his bowling was, it merely confirmed what all honest judges know, in the absence of helpful conditions and weaker teams he is an ordinary trundler.

So what did the first day at Adelaide prove?

 

[social]

So what did the first day at Adelaide prove?

Not much tbh

He's always been a talent, his action looks better than ever atm but it's still only 3 innings and I've seen enough of him in the past few years to know what he's capable of when things go awry

 

[r3alist]

Not much tbh

He's always been a talent, his action looks better than ever atm but it's still only 3 innings and I've seen enough of him in the past few years to know what he's capable of when things go awry

i agree with that, his action has improved, but his ability has not significantly improved imo, still needs the weather to help him, or a crap lineup

 

[Xuhaib]

so gist of the story is apart from realist and Social everybody agrees Anderson is world class now.