Ban Test matches in Subcontinent

[Blaze 18]

I could not agree more with you there, vcs.

 

[Jono]

Yeah reverse swing, and how a batsman tackles it, is awesome to watch.

 

[GotSpin]

Not true, the first session almost always provides some help for the quicks with the overhead conditions, especially if you have a newish ball. Plus there's the reverse swing factor. Not too many quicks around the world right now are good enough to use it as a lethal weapon. Don't blame the subcontinental conditions for that, though.

Don't really think the new ball is as effective on pitches with low bounce in comparison to other pitches. I, however, will concede that reverse swing is a very effective weapon on the subcontinent.

Nevertheless, I don't think it's unfair to suggest that the bat dominates the ball the majority of the time in the subcontinent, and from my POV, it makes for a boring test match. I prefer batsmen to earn their runs in test cricket, through a battle against both the conditions and the bowlers, be it swing, seam, uneven bounce, extra bounce, spin or whatever. I'm not suggesting green tops are the be all and end all, although they're great to watch I reckon, but that test cricket should involve an even contest. This is more of a general gripe, because I hate flat wickets in Australia too or anywhere for that matter. It just seems some countries have a plethora of pitches targeted towards establishing monster totals

 

[Xuhaib]

watching quality reverse swing is my favorite thing in test cricket.

 

[Teja.]

If bowlers are not good enough to bowl reverse swing, It's their team's fault not the Indian teams. Currently, We have a bowler who is pretty darn awesome at using reverse swing and we have no reason to make pitches more seam-friendly. Why will we do something that works to our disadvantage?

 

[Jono]

You're right Teja, problem is we are making pitches that aren't to our advantage lately. No they're not seamers, but they're not spinning either.

However you are correct. India will add more bounce in our wicket when Australia and South Africa start making turners. Deal?

 

[Teja.]

You're right Teja, problem is we are making pitches that aren't to our advantage lately. No they're not seamers, but they're not spinning either.

However you are correct. India will add more bounce in our wicket when Australia and South Africa start making turners. Deal?

Was responding to G_S's point re Indian pitches being flat till teh 4th day tbh. Yeah, The Pitches against NZ were pretty dumb.

 

[Jono]

Nah I get your overall point. Just pointing out the irony in we're lately simultaneously not making pitches that bounce and not making pitches that turn. That is brutal.

But yes, when we make pitches like against Australia, I don't give a **** if they don't bounce like Australian/South African wickets. You don't see any posters complaining when Australian/South African wickets don't turn.

One of the more annoying inconsistencies on CW.

 

[vcs]

Zaheer got good reverse swing in that one spell in Day 1 on Mohali. He's awesome, but I think we Indian fans are starting to overrate him juust a little bit these days. Our strength still is, conventional rather than reverse swing. Basically, when we play in the subcontinent, we need our seamers to get one or two early breakthroughs with the new ball so that our spinners can bowl with men crowded around the bat. I'd say using the new ball well in the subcontinent is a bit more important than in some other venues. If the batting team gets away to 50/0, it becomes a long hard grind for the fielding side.

Indians make India look like an easy place to bat, because more often than not, Sehwag and Gambhir are able to accomplish exactly that against most attacks.

 

[GotSpin]

Nah I get your overall point. Just pointing out the irony in we're lately simultaneously not making pitches that bounce and not making pitches that turn. That is brutal.

But yes, when we make pitches like against Australia, I don't give a **** if they don't bounce like Australian/South African wickets. You don't see any posters complaining when Australian/South African wickets don't turn.

One of the more annoying inconsistencies on CW.

Not sure if you were referring to me, but I don't complain about spin. I'm complaining about pitches that offer nothing until the 4th day unless there's a bit of reverse swing. India are obviously welcome to tailor pitches to their strengths, but at least give some help to your spinners or something...not complete roads that need to break down before competitive cricket comes about.

 

[Jono]

Nah there's not much I have disagreed with you about in this thread.

The best Indian wickets are those that have had a tiny bit of extra bounce by Indian standards and start to spin on day 2 or so.

 

[srkven]

That is completely horrid suggestion, where does all the money in cricket come from? Avid supporters in India and Sri Lanka etc. By banning it, our cricket in the world will tumble and fall. India is the top test playing nation, and Sri Lanka is not far behind. So give them a break, I think we should just be playing less there and btw, not ALL tests drawn, in fact, about 70% of matches get a result.

 

[Jono]

If Dubai is part of the subcontinent, I assume Brisbane is now too.

 

[vcs]

Haha. TBF, Australia could yet lose this match...

 

[GotSpin]

They'll lose this test match when India win in Aus

 

[GotSpin]

Oh, wait...forgot this

 

[Jono]

Australia better not lose this test, otherwise my whinging about the pitch will look silly, even though it'll be **** batting resulting in a result.

 

[Furball]

I hate the subcontinent. Where else in the world would you get a pitch that sees a team 343/1 having batted on days 4 and 5?

 

[Bun]

BrisBAN

 

[Blaze 18]

BrisBAN

lol!