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The Official Gareth Hopkins isn't terrible thread
- Thread starter Athlai
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Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
He might not win Strawmans bet - but I was thinking it over - Hopguns is a fair chance to score a couple of not outs and boost up his average above 20. So it is possible that Athlai could win one and lose one.
Time will tell however. Looking forward to his next inning.
Time will tell however. Looking forward to his next inning.
Flem274*
123/5
Make the thread. I dare you.Wicketkeeper-batsmen who are better than Gareth Hopkins:
Derek de Boorder
Kruger Van Wyk
Peter McGlashan
Bevan Griggs
Reece Young
Joe Austin-Smellie
Brendon Diamanti
a napkin
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
James
Cricket Web Owner
Yeah that's right.
Hopkins has had 25 innings for NZ now across the three formats and hasn't made a 50 in any of them and averages less than 15 in each one.
It comes back to keeping McCullum behind the stumps or giving someone else a go IMO.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
Give Hopkins the series I say - he may get his fifty next innings. I have predicted that he won't but who knows. Van Wyk is next cab off the rank for me.
James you are late into this debate - you have used the same logic as Strawman and myself that you can judge Hopkins effectiveness based in part on his limited overs performances. The argument against this was Hopkins has excellent FC numbers in the longer form of the game and should do well in tests.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I think you're mixing up the forms a little bit and making sweeping claims based on that. Hopkins has been crap in limited overs cricket and it's very frustrating to not see McGlashan given a go there, but he's barely played any Tests and his batting record in domestic cricket more than warrants an opportunity there as long as his keeping isn't terrible. Should he fail it should be Young who plays instead in Tests, not McGlashan who is pretty average in First Class cricket at the moment (even if he does have a blog here
).
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
The annoying thing is that there are plenty of wicketkeepers in domestic cricket scoring a lot of runs. I cbf trying to look up the runs put up by these guys in the last year or two but I remember they are impressive. Wicketkeeping ability is paramount of course, but presumably one or two of these would be at least as competent glovemen as Hopkins, perhaps less error-prone.
It's easy NZ selectors.... just choose the best gloveman from the top 3 or 4 batting averages of these wicketkeepers and give that man a chance.
Perennial question on this site but I always forget the answer... when does Van Wyk qualify for NZ? Perhaps it's later this year and NZ selectors are just using Hopkins as a stop-gap. He is almost 34 after all.
It's easy NZ selectors.... just choose the best gloveman from the top 3 or 4 batting averages of these wicketkeepers and give that man a chance.
Perennial question on this site but I always forget the answer... when does Van Wyk qualify for NZ? Perhaps it's later this year and NZ selectors are just using Hopkins as a stop-gap. He is almost 34 after all.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Well... maybe they did that? I don't know a lot about the wicket keeping standard of Young, but Hopkins has definitely been head and shoulders above the rest of the keepers in terms of batting in the last three or four seasons.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Yes, they gave that man Hopkins a chance based on a decent domestic record - fair enough. But from the information we have to date, I would conclude that Hopkins is not capable of the step up to international level. Some players are just not, as we have found out with many domestic batsmen over the last few years.
He's made quite a few clangers as wicketkeeper and as an international batsman averages about a third (one-dayer and test) of what he does domestically. He quite possibly keeps a lot better when under less pressure in domestic matches, against bowlers he's very familiar with.
So it's time to try another good domestic performer. Perhaps they will be able to keep for NZ as well as they do domestically, and if they average 45 in domestic cricket, might be able to translate that to 25 in Internationals.