Australia to cancel bangladesh again

[TumTum]

It's the complete opposite. The chart shows lesser improvement early on, but after 2007 (test #45), especially in the batting, the improvement is incredibly obvious.

If you honestly can't see the recent sustained improvement in that image, I don't really know what to say. Their batting is far above what it has ever been, averaging over 30 and over a 50% improvement since 2007, and there hasn't been any large spikes in their bowling either.

It's just so obvious.

Safe to say those are due to the "Tamim effect". Again those minor things in no way prove to me that they are improving or have improved, just because one player had a very good year from their team.

 

[Inny Binny]

Hey mate could you do charts for New Zealand and the West Indies over the same period added to the same graph? Maybe seperate ones for batting and bowling.

I could.

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[Athlai]

I could.

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[Themer]

Safe to say those are due to the "Tamim effect". Again those minor things in no way prove to me that they are improving or have improved, just because one player had a very good year from their team.

So what are we doing then? Ruling out good players because they don't show how things really are? Silly statement is silly.

Additionally how is a 50% improvement minor?

 

[TumTum]

You seem to struggle with the definition of improvement.

A substantial improvement has to be substantial. An improvement just has to improve on its previous condition, however minutely.

Sorry but with my other points, Test cricket simply doesn't have enough time to do them charity work so they can do their "improvement" . Maybe in 50 years time they might be in the top 6 Test rankings. But on the other hand Test cricket might die out if we give them that opportunity.

 

[TumTum]

So what are we doing then? Ruling out good players because they don't show how things really are? Silly statement is silly.

Additionally how is a 50% improvement minor?

1. Yes. Just like Ashrafool, those players can come and go, and there is no way of knowing Tamim can keep up his effort. You need the whole team to improve, not just an induvidual effort.

2. Because it is only a short sample size, give it more time and those stats will even themselves out.

 

[Themer]

Sorry but with my other points, Test cricket simply doesn't have enough time to do them charity work so they can do their "improvement" . Maybe in 50 years time they might be in the top 6 Test rankings. But on the other hand Test cricket might die out if we give them that opportunity.

I don't think you understand the problems that Test cricket faces currently. Lack of time, flat pitches and the rise of Twenty20's are significantly more relevant than Bangladesh.

 

[Athlai]

Sorry but with my other points, Test cricket simply doesn't have enough time to do them charity work so they can do their "improvement" . Maybe in 50 years time they might be in the top 6 Test rankings. But on the other hand Test cricket might die out if we give them that opportunity.

Why? You still haven't explained. How is opening Test cricket to a country with as vast a population as Bangladesh who have only grown more and more fond of cricket going to kill Test cricket? Heck closing that audience off now is far more likely to harm Test cricket than fix it.

Because the matches are terrible? The West Indies and Pakistan have capitulated as badly as Bangladesh have in recent years with both suffering a fair few huge losses, should they be close to the chopping block too?

 

[Themer]

1. Yes. Just like Ashrafool, those players can come and go, and there is no way of knowing Tamim can keep up his effort. You need the whole team to improve, not just an induvidual effort.

2. Because it is only a short sample size, give it more time and those stats will even themselves out.

Yes but there is more than one player that has done well. Shakib, Rahim, Mahmadullah (sp?) and Siddique all did very well on the tour of England.

 

[TumTum]

I don't think you understand the problems that Test cricket faces currently. Lack of time, flat pitches and the rise of Twenty20's are significantly more relevant that Bangladesh.

Agree those are problems too. But really, I don't want Australia playing Bangladesh and neither do the general community. Will only help to drive away crowds.

I mean it was bad enough that we hosted WI and PAK last summer, attracted the least crowds for quite some time.

 

[Athlai]

Agree those are problems too. But really, I don't want Australia playing Bangladesh and neither do the general community. Will only help to drive away crowds.

I mean it was bad enough that we hosted WI and PAK last summer, attracted the least crowds for quite some time.

Ah so you're only talking about AUSTRALIAN cricket.

 

[TumTum]

Why? You still haven't explained. How is opening Test cricket to a country with as vast a population as Bangladesh who have only grown more and more fond of cricket going to kill Test cricket? Heck closing that audience off now is far more likely to harm Test cricket than fix it.

Because the matches are terrible? The West Indies and Pakistan have capitulated as badly as Bangladesh have in recent years with both suffering a fair few huge losses, should they be close to the chopping block too?

1. Bangladeshi fans have the least weight in international cricket. While their fans would improve, other countries will be less interested.

2. Agree WI and PAK have been terrible. But their problems are either Politics or Board Problems or Match fixing etc. If they get their act together they could be very competitive.

 

[TumTum]

Ah so you're only talking about AUSTRALIAN cricket.

Well I can only speak for where I live and my community. I'm pretty sure it is the same around the world too.

 

[Themer]

1. Bangladeshi fans have the least weight in international cricket. While their fans would improve, other countries will be less interested.

I dunno. There was a pretty fat one watching Bangladesh play earlier this year,

 

[Athlai]

1. Bangladeshi fans have the least weight in international cricket. While their fans would improve, other countries will be less interested.

2. Agree WI and PAK have been terrible. But their problems are either Politics or Board Problems or Match fixing etc. If they get their act together they could be very competitive.

New Zealand fans almost certainly have less weight than Bangladeshi ones.

 

[TumTum]

Yes but there is more than one player that has done well. Shakib, Rahim, Mahmadullah (sp?) and Siddique all did very well on the tour of England.

Wouldn't say "very well". They played ok-ish. The rest were rubbish, especially their bowlers.

 

[Athlai]

Well I can only speak for where I live and my community. I'm pretty sure it is the same around the world too.

Pretty sure?

I'm sold.

 

[Themer]

Well if its like that near you then it must be the same world over.

 

[TumTum]

Well countries like Aus, NZ, SA maybe, ENG are pretty close in terms of fan bases and life-styles.

 

[Athlai]

Cricket is not particularly popular in New Zealand or well attended. Maybe when we play Australia the numbers swell but otherwise they are meagre.