Australia to cancel bangladesh again

[TumTum]

Utterly, utterly confused.

Refer to post above about improving in your initial years, and then stalling.

 

[Themer]

I do, and it doesn't mean about changing your stance on an issue. It could be as light as simply forgetting past hand occurrences.

Oh dear. Knee-jerk reaction Meaning: An automatic response to something.

Doesn't have anything to do with forgetting past occurrences. A knee jerk reaction would be one of those people saying Bangladesh were terrible and didn't deserve test status to see they have a decentish year and suddenly say they're improving great.

Do I have to repeat myself? You gave the broad meaning whilst I made it more specif about what we are discussing.

I think you didn't understand the meaning of Knee jerk reaction. Though this small error probably pales in significance to your new definition of improving that I'm awaiting.

 

[Themer]

Getting better would only be natural for any team making their debut at Test level, especially in their first few years. But they are showing of making no progress and improvement despite being a Test team for quite some time.

We're only going to go in circles if you think they can get better without improving.

 

[TumTum]

I think you didn't understand the meaning of Knee jerk reaction. Though this small error probably pales in significance to your new definition of improving that I'm awaiting.

Like an automatic response to BD beating Kiwis 4-0... Whilst forgetting how they performed against England?

You gave the more broad meaning, and I was being more specific about what we are discussing.

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[Themer]

I'm bowing out. I fail to see where this is going barring circles.

 

[Athlai]

1. You realize I said '06 right?

2. Look at the graph, they still let the opposition average 2x more than they do.

I said the increasing rate of close Tests involving Bangladesh since 2006 shows that they are improving.
2000

Huge Losses: 1 ( A huge loss being by well over 200-300 runs, or 7 or more wickets, most of these are innings thrashings)

2001
1 draw against Zim
Huge Losses: 8

2002
Huge Losses: 8

2003
Close matches: (Lose by 1 wicket to Pakistan)
Huge Losses: 8

2004
Beat Zimbabwe and draw against Zimbabwe
Draw: 1 against WI
Huge Losses: 5

2005
Beat Zimbabwe and draw against Zimbabwe
Huge Losses: 4

2006
Close Tests: 1 vs. Aussie
Huge Losses: 3

2007
Draw: 1
Huge Losses: 4

2008
Draw: 1
Close Tests: 1 (Lose to NZ by 3 wickets)
Moderately close: 2 (Lose by 107 runs vs. SL, Lose by 5 wickets to SA)
Huge Losses: 5

2009
2 wins vs. the weak West Indies team
Huge Losses: 1

2010
Moderately Close: 2 (Lose by 113 to India, 121 to NZ, 181 to Eng)
Huge Losses: 4



And once again no one is saying Bangladesh aren't the worst team by a long way, but that does not mean they aren't improving. They're still the worst team, they'll be the worst team for years to come, but the gap is closing.

 

[TumTum]

We're only going to go in circles if you think they can get better without improving.

As i keep saying and having to repeat myself, any team would improve and get better and whatever you want to call it in their initial years. But BD recently have shown no signs of improvement, as you can see by that chart.

 

[Themer]

Come now TumTum. The chart showed that Bangladesh had improved over the past few years. Specifically the batting but the bowling had also come down before reinflating a tad.

 

[TumTum]

And once again no one is saying Bangladesh aren't the worst team by a long way, but that does not mean they aren't improving. They're still the worst team, they'll be the worst team for years to come, but the gap is closing.

First of all I don't agree with you that they have been improving recently.

But even if we take it as they are, and as you already said they are the worst team by a mile and stronger teams should not do charity work for them. This is what is killing Test cricket.

 

[marc71178]

As i keep saying and having to repeat myself, any team would improve and get better and whatever you want to call it in their initial years. But BD recently have shown no signs of improvement, as you can see by that chart.

Hint, keeping on repeating something does not make it any more true then the first time you say it - especially when it is so clearly wrong that even you yourself are contradicting yourself over it.

Another evidence of clear improvement in their side is the number of games they play that now last to day 5 rather than being over by lunchtime on day 3.

 

[Themer]

But even if we take it as they are, and as you already said they are the worst team by a mile and stronger teams should not do charity work for them. This is what is killing Test cricket.

I can see elitism being much more of a threat to Test Cricket than Bangladesh.

 

[Athlai]

First of all I don't agree with you that they have been improving recently.

But even if we take it as they are, and as you already said they are the worst team by a mile and stronger teams should not do charity work for them. This is what is killing Test cricket.

Disagree entirely, it introduces a new market and clearly holds some interest with fans.

 

[TumTum]

Come now TumTum. The chart showed that Bangladesh had improved over the past few years. Specifically the batting but the bowling had also come down before reinflating a tad.

All I can see is zigzagging orange line and the blue line going up by about half a run per year.

Improvement? Really the difference showing on that graph is so marginal that you can't read anything into it.

 

[Athlai]

Hint, keeping on repeating something does not make it any more true then the first time you say it - especially when it is so clearly wrong that even you yourself are contradicting yourself over it.

Another evidence of clear improvement in their side is the number of games they play that now last to day 5 rather than being over by lunchtime on day 3.

This is a knee jerk reaction.

^^^

 

[Themer]

All I can see is zigzagging orange line and the blue line going up by about half a run per year.

Improvement? Really the difference showing on that graph is so marginal that you can't read anything into it.

Ok so you disagree with that the chart shows improvement. How do you explain the progression over the the years which shows that the number of drubbings is decreasing?

 

[Inny Binny]

As i keep saying and having to repeat myself, any team would improve and get better and whatever you want to call it in their initial years. But BD recently have shown no signs of improvement, as you can see by that chart.

It's the complete opposite. The chart shows lesser improvement early on, but after 2007 (test #45), especially in the batting, the improvement is incredibly obvious.

Here is the graph again:

If you honestly can't see the recent sustained improvement in that image, I don't really know what to say. Their batting is far above what it has ever been, averaging over 30 and over a 50% improvement since 2007, and there hasn't been any large spikes in their bowling either.

It's just so obvious.

 

[TumTum]

Hint, keeping on repeating something does not make it any more true then the first time you say it - especially when it is so clearly wrong that even you yourself are contradicting yourself over it.

Please defend yourself.

Ok so you disagree with that the chart shows improvement. How do you explain the progression over the the years which shows that the number of drubbings is decreasing?

Drubbings decreasing? Oh a real sign of improvement

Again as I have to say countless amount of times, improvement has to be something substantial and not some small stat that doesn't mean anything.

 

[Athlai]

Hey mate could you do charts for New Zealand and the West Indies over the same period added to the same graph? Maybe seperate ones for batting and bowling.

 

[Themer]

Drubbings decreasing? Oh a real sign of improvement

Again as I have to say countless amount of times, improvement has to be something substantial and not some small stat that doesn't mean anything.

An improvement is something getting better. Bangladesh being able to compete with teams a hell of alot better than simply getting blitzed is an improvement. A pretty important one as well.

 

[Athlai]

Please defend yourself.



Drubbings decreasing? Oh a real sign of improvement

Again as I have to say countless amount of times, improvement has to be something substantial and not some small stat that doesn't mean anything.

You seem to struggle with the definition of improvement.

A substantial improvement has to be substantial. An improvement just has to improve on its previous condition, however minutely.